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@tomo "given that DT is shifting position on an assortment of issues"
I'm not that he is much..the test comes when it comes to actual implementation of policies
When someone said that Boris is not truthful some one else pointed out that that is the skill of a good negotiator, what you need is someone with a good heart who is opaque, cos people who put all their cards on the table now are poor negotiators.
Trump says one thing, now he may say another thing the actual policy might be back to original
- Now on Hillary jail, maybe there is a deal or maybe he is pretending so Obama doesn't pardon her.
I wonder if the deal is that he had to promise no jail and then his well old pretty weak groping accusations will also go away.
- 2009 He changed on climate cos of climategate
There will be massive pressure from the subsidy mafia on energy and pipelines so it will be amazing if he delivers 50% of his promises on Green issues
Tom Harris : Climate-change skeptics must hold Trump’s feet to the fire
Under pressure from activists, the president-elect could turn pragmatic
stewgreen
@gc - "those adjustments" I referred to are mostly to thermometer historical data - there is definitely some opaque jiggery-pokery going on there which could do with challenging on a level that flushes the perps out to explain themselves.
The players in the scientific "climate consensus" and the allied political / ideological movement that supports "climate justice" feel that they can just shut down often well founded and evidenced criticism by shouting "denier" ever louder... are hopefully in for some robust challenges from people - who - for a change... have the power to defund them if their theories and claims don't stack up against the reality of nature.
@RR - that OCO-2 first pass data - yeah ... oops.... I chuckled too - but then the uncharitable thoughts surfaced. Those lurid red and orange NASA simulated CO2 presentations are still up on the web and one has to wonder ... why?
tomo
ACK
Sorry to hear about Mrs Kendall. Feel free to blow off steam if it helps.
Entropic man
Regarding the OCO-2: irrespective of what is going on now, it was the excuses that sprang out when the first pass was published that caused me to chuckle, with the highest concentrations of CO2 being over rain forests and tropical oceans– areas we had been assured should be low in CO2, yet totally eclipsed those areas we have long been assured have to be the areas of highest concentrations, the industrial areas.
The main excuse was (believe it or not!): seasonal burning. If that really is the case, then we should be ramping up fossil-fuel consumption! If subsistence farmers can out-gas the industrial world, then surely it demonstrates that hand-to-mouth existence is even worse for the precious planet than modern industry!
Sorry to hear about your wife, Minty. Perhaps she has been reading your attempts at humour, on this site – not healthy for us, and we need only skim it! Dangerously close to stretching well outside the reach of medical science. Wit (as I call it) aside, I shall include her in my prayers.
Radical Rodent
@gc
Given that DT is shifting position on an assortment of issues as I guess he's being updated by researchers/advisers I reckon the earth resources satellites will be reassigned to other agencies.- NOAA would be the first guess as the new steward of the operational fleet as they already operate the terrestrial weather fleet. I'd expect the sun observation stuff also to go to NOAA. I will be extremely disappointed if the earth observation fleet is scrapped - that would be wanton vandalism.
As to adjustments - that really should be addressed as the situation has been farcical for some time. I have spent quite a lot of time online looking for the detailed rationale for the adjustments that have been applied and not found much in the way of credible justification. It won't happen.... but since climate change has been identified as an issue for the new administration they could do an awful lot worse than recruit one Anthony Watts as an advisor / consultant....
I see Trenberth and Mann have been quoted as critical of Trump without the details of what is being proposed even being made public - what a pair of useless clowns.
@ACK - +1 what Mark said
tomo
tomo, is NASA OCO-2 data going to be of any relevance any more, if there is no one on earth to adjust it?
golf charlie
ACK
Sorry to learn about your wife's ill-health. I hope she gets better soon.
Mark Hodgson
@EM
nearly 50 contributors! - that's academic crowdsourcing ?
NASA mission teams validated the calibration some time back against the project nominated ground references. And anyway - the deviations identified by the paper seem to be of small magnitude and do little to change the bigger picture - as in the locations of the sources and sinks and the circulation dynamics.
It is my opinion that you are very wrong in your assertion that the leisurely decorum should be allowed to go its own sweet way - in fact I'd go as far as to call that BS.
The observations from OCO-2 seem to show NASA's CO2 software modeling to be wildly inaccurate - and it's a given that those model outputs are being used to inform government policy - FFS those models are still being proffered as a truth!
Given the amount of whinnying and woe !! we're doomed - when a few ppm changes - ignoring the substantive observations from the spectrometers on board OCO-2 can only (at best) be described as suspicious....
There are obviously works in progress - but having read the blogs and seen the affiliations of a few folk involved in the interpretation of the data there are definitely some folk in that community who are having issues reconciling observed fact with computational models driven by what is obviously deficient theory (that they have invested in).
tomo
No EM. My wife has been in hospital with an unknown infection that resisted treatment with most antibiotics. Just brought her home.
ACK
tomo, thanks for that. Over at WUWT there is a thread and duplication of effort between NASA and NOAA is mentioned, but I freely admit to having no idea about lines of demarcation.
I grew up knowing that NASA represented Rocket Science, it was the peak of human endeavour, bravery, ingenuity etc. I now view NASA as a rather squalid organisation, pretending to be rocket scientists, taking data from v.expensive technology and then tampering with it. I know NASA still does rocket sciencey stuff, but the climate department has tarnished the whole image. I did visit the Kennedy Space Centre 15 years ago.
I can understand Trump wanting to restore NASA to an emblem of National Pride. I also understand Trump wanting to slash costs on climate science, and clean up NASA's image. The cost savings being mentioned suggest more than redundancies, R&D? Satellite launches?
I understand what you mean by suggesting Anthony Watts be brought in! I would hope that an outsider is appointed, and would guess that Myron Ebell has names in mind. The problem is that the mission objective changed, from gathering information, to gathering evidence to prove a theory, and many of the current employees may suffer from institutionalised zealotry.