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@PhilipB "DECC needs to answer this question: “why did demand response get 1 year contracts and new generation capacity get 15 years”? Both take time and effort to set up, "
- why would I commit to DR for mega power furnaces for 15 years if most such biz is moving abroad ?
- A nice trick would be if I know I am in my final year of operation and winding down production would be to sign a 1 year DR contract with DECC.

Jan 31, 2015 at 1:31 AM | Registered Commenterstewgreen

More spectacular Goldenberg excreta in the Guardian - now Iceland is levitating because of the massive icecap melting that's not happening there, giving rise to volcanic eruptions. Nothing whatever to do with a mid-Atlantic rift. That'll be the overwhelming consensus view that plate tectonics is fairytale-laden denialism then. And consensus never fails.

Jan 30, 2015 at 11:43 PM | Registered CommenterSayNoToFearmongers

Tomo: relax. Have a read at the only comment made, so far, on the Alternatives Journal (“Canada’s Environmental Voice”) – it is far from complimentary about the article. Add your “tick” in support, as well.

Jan 30, 2015 at 5:52 PM | Registered CommenterRadical Rodent

tomo --
Even if that article is correct -- and wouldn't the meltwater contain dissolved organic carbon and CO2? -- the authors talk of 15 Tg of carbon cumulative by 2050, call it 0.5 TgC per year. Compare this to annual anthropogenic emissions of about 10 PgC -- that is, 10,000 TgC. "Substantial"? "Catastrophic"? Hardly.

Jan 30, 2015 at 4:00 PM | Registered CommenterHaroldW


I know... what irks is that the "professional" media is polluted with this garbage - and the "professionals" targeted regularly point out the lies, misrepresentations and so on... - but the baboons bashing away with mouse and keyboard keep pushing out this "whoah!! we're doomed" stuff.

Jan 30, 2015 at 2:05 PM | Registered Commentertomo

Here is more insanity from DECC, giving our money away to generators to do what they would do anyway, ie generate electricity to meet demand. UK “capacity market” is not a market – it’s state aid (£1 billion/year)

Jan 30, 2015 at 2:03 PM | Registered CommenterPhillip Bratby

@Tomo I think we have to just tune out.. You know this stuff is all part of their religion and they feel compelled to share he message of the day. Even failing to understand sometimes that they are a journalist and are not supposed to push a line. they just cant help it. One can waste time going into details and really check that they are the BS they first seem.But normaly you can just wait. Like how many people are pushing magic biofuel$ these days ?

Jan 30, 2015 at 1:54 PM | Registered Commenterstewgreen

Cumbrian Lad - yes, that's the one. That's the trouble with driving; need to concentrate on the road rather than the radio especially when taking a new route home and trying to remember it for the next time - all to cut a couple of miles and a few villages out of the journey. Might be time to invest in GPS but I prefer to keep the memory sharpened.

Grumpy - I remember hearing the comments about nitrogen and fossil fuel dependence. It was talking about the Haber-Bosch process. Was it on the 15min programme before You and yours? there is a series in that slot at present that seems to cover all sorts of random stuff.

Jan 29, 2015 at 11:53 PM | Unregistered CommenterCumbrian Lad

Jan 30, 2015 at 1:41 PM | Unregistered CommenterGrumpy

I got a circular "news" email pointing here at one of my work accounts - a re-hash of this - which in turn - is a re-hash from here ($$$)

Down through three layers of linguistically and logically tortured re-interpretation with the word "catastrophic" wheeled out everywhere ....

Exasperation is close (but inadequate) to what I feel about the "sausage machine of doom...."

Jan 30, 2015 at 1:37 PM | Registered Commentertomo

Stewgreen: that article you linked to should become national reading. If ever there was a paper that shows the utter stupidity of the people involved in this scam, that is it. It is an article riddled with self-contradiction, often with conflicts within the same sentence!

Close to 9 in 10 people (88%) agree that the world’s climate is changing…
No argument there – when hasn’t it been changing?
The flooding events were seen as a sign of things to come
Again, there can be no argument – when hasn’t there been some flooding, somewhere, so it is reasonable to expect there to be more, sometime in the future?

It then goes on to show that most people saw that the flooding had more to do with “habitat management” (to coin a phrase) than with “climate change”:

…insufficient investment in flood defences (77% felt this), poor river and coastal management (75%), development including in flood-prone areas (73%)…
Our findings demonstrate that an association between last year’s winter flooding and climate change has been forming in the minds of many ordinary people in Britain, who also view these events as a sign of things to come.
So the incessant propaganda is starting to show some results, eh, Prof Pidgeon? Good for you. Now, ask yourself this: why is it taking so long for this propaganda to show such positive results? Could it be that most people are not as stupid as you think, and can discern reality from carefully-managed fiction?

Then there is the killer:

Perhaps we should now ask whether it is time to banish climate scepticism once and for all

[my bold]

In other words, cease any scientific thinking, and obey whatever you are told. AND HE IS BEING PAID BY MONEY TAKEN FROM ME, WITHOUT ME BEING ALLOWED ANY SAY IN THE MATTER!!!!!

Jan 30, 2015 at 11:21 AM | Registered CommenterRadical Rodent

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