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Harry Passfield.
I did not include you in the supportmob, only those who originally rushed to support the indefensible by offering distractions.
How have I patronized you?
You may take BH regulars as being a fairly collegiate lot, but I have not found, in all cases, this to be true.
You accuse me of taking offence. Perhaps that is because my politics cause me to be attacked here more than you. In any case, when applied to this case, where have I taken any offense?
Let's leave it that the BBC news item you saw left you with your opinion that it was pejorative. This does not equate to "making things up".
I would remind you that I suggested that we let this whole matter rest. It was you who resurrected it.
ACK
@ACK
you might have a bit of fun with it - but this isn't funny. Much of the anglophone meeja seem to perceive that DT presents an existential threat to their traditional interlocutory role / status and have chosen to attack him.
I did go and look at maybe half a dozen versions of the story (which doubtless has garnered some tens of thousands of $$$ in syndication) and yes - it appears to be some nutters celebrating DT's election. What I question is the prominence given and the tone of the piece - the clear inference being that DT is a Nazi and endorses the said nutters. Have you stopped beating your wife?
The believe that Prince Philip is a god.
Those "Sieg Trump" nutters deserve a visit from Louis Theroux or Stacy Dooley *not* a place on the front page. It was a clear attempt to feed poison in and stoke controversy.
With so little on offer in terms of actual policies and administration positions one might expect some speculation but the barrage of attacks presently underway tell their own story... as I said - the comparison to actual Nazis - in the case of said saluting nutters is cargo cult territory.
If you take "made up" to encompass cosmetics, prostheses and wigs - then I rest my case.
tomo
Much of the BBC's output is disinformation.
That happens cos most BBC staff behave like SJW missionaries out to save the world from fantasy dark forces.
Sometimes they do make stuff up, but more often the construct narrative, by spinning things out of context/perspective
so when I read @Tomo saying "make stuff up" I thought that was rather strong language , cos it was a plausible story that some nutters had done a nazi style salute.
Some far right Jewish group might have celebrated the invasion of Iraq by Blair/Bush in a similar way, but it would be disingenuous to yesterdays clip went viral was not cos it is really relevant to Trump, but rather it suits narrative builders who want to sling mud at Trump and smear him as ultra right wing.
And indeed of Toady this morning the BBC didn't police the American commentator when she talked about the Nazi salute coming from a group which identifies as Alt-Right (ie racist) and then applied the same label top Breitbart (which is NOT Alt-Right, but who lazy journalists first confused with cos their journalist Milo wrote an article ABOUT The Alt Right)
Yesterday the big story was what Trump actually said in an interview.
Yet the BBC chose to report incessantly about one kind of wind-up Tweet that Trump sent ..and do web stuff about Nazi salutes, yet it was about 11-13 hours late getting to the actual NYT interview..which it started to report on the midnight news last night.
stewgreen
ACK, I can do without your patronising comments. I always took BH regulars (sans trolls) as being a fairly collegiate lot, not a 'supportmob', but then I see you have a tendency to take offence at the slightest challenge.
My point about the BBC reporting, in common with others here, was that the BBC seemed to want the viewer be left with the impression that Trump enjoys the support of the far right. Now, that 'news' item may have been modified in other broadcasts but the one I saw was pejorative. End of. ymmv.
Harry Passfield
ACK, when I was asked why I did not know the tune of the Belgian National Anthem, the honest answer was that as they never won anything, I had never heard it.
golf charlie
Harry Passfield.
"The point is, you can't chose your supporters/fans."
This is not the point. The point was, and still is the BBC was accused of "making things up" (ie lying) by someone who didn't take the time to check out his sources (if he ever had any).
The BBC comes in for a lot of flak (some of it well deserved) at BH but some of the criticism is unwarranted. Most of this I no longer bother with but in this case the accusation was so blatantly wrong and so easily disproved that it warranted being challanged. I have found it so interesting to see how the supportmob has reacted.
ACK
Harry Passfield. Since you don't want to put the matter to bed
1) what part of "Also note that the BBC used other broadcasters' material, it was not its own story." did you not understand? In other words defend your statement "the BBC used the link pejoratively."
2) if you agree with tomo, what part of the story reported by the BBC and broadcasters across the globe (I watched broadcasts from the USA, Italy and Australia) was made up? Did those other broadcasters use the material pejoratively? Is the BBC part of a world wide conspiracy?
ACK
ACK:
So how do you support your claim - "BBC just plain make up stuff as in the BBC's "Trump supporters use Nazi salute" stuff today"?.They may self-describe as 'Trump supporters', but that does not make them Trump's supporters. You might as well say that Bruce Springsteen's support support of Hell's Angels, and his subsequent support for HRC means that HRC has the Hell's Angels on her side.
The point is, you can't chose your supporters/fans. And you know that the BBC used the link pejoratively.
Harry Passfield
Nov 22, 2016 at 10:07 PM | Harry Passfield
Seems to me that Trump is changing his mind about more things more quickly than your average politician.
SandyS
I would differentiate between
: actual "making things up" and "constructing disproportionate narrative"
I always thought @Tomo was talking about the latter