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Aug 18, 2018 at 2:42 PM | Unregistered CommenterTinyCO2

Ironically for a nation that thinks it would be inhumate to isolate prisoners, we now isolate kids rather than physically punish them. Naughty step or excusion from school. Moreover we are often seeing the victim isolated or sent away and not the bully.

So many worries about the perpetrator and so few for the victim.

Aug 18, 2018 at 2:41 PM | Unregistered CommenterTinyCO2

You forget the 3rd string AK, deterrent. What our society is based on has long since been discarded and our more Church going forefathers would be outraged by our version of justice. Like the 'we always were a nation of migrants' myth, the 'a Christian country wouldn't...' has no relationship with the past. We've tried the softer and softer approach to crime and it's not worked. So lets try something new. Yes, isolation is cruel and a lot of victims experience it. Something our legal system seems to be ok with. I don't think rehabilitation works. I think scaring people of the alternative does.

That's why drug rehabilitation fails Ross. If millionaires can't quit there's not enough money to save those who can't save themselves. We only have a chance to stop people ever getting hooked in the first place.

Aug 18, 2018 at 2:33 PM | Unregistered CommenterTinyCO2

Tiny what a specious argument. Both you and I know that our society is at least in principle based upon biblical aspirations and that there is a very difference between new and old testament principles. Your and my agnosticism are not relevant. If you refuse to acknowledge those differences then I believe you are primarily looking for revenge (= punishment) in incarceration, rather than confinement (with the remote chance of redemption). People have been having these arguments for many many decades and we won't resolve them. Also opinions on these matters come in cycles and will change again. However, for some, solitary confinement, would be very real cruel and inhumane treatment. In our society, does anyone really deserve complete isolation, especially for life or a large part of what remains?

Aug 18, 2018 at 1:49 PM | Unregistered CommenterSupertroll

Ross Lea


Not at all. The main bottleneck in transplant surgery is the limited supply of organs.

An executed criminal is a valuable medical resource. He/she has a healthy heart, lungs, liver and two kidneys.

You can bring five compatible recipients to the same hospital. That is five lives saved immediately.

Five litres of blood is equivalent to ten blood donations.

There is also a square metre of skin usable for burn treatment and cosmetic surgery.

Many metres of artery and vein can be used for heart bypass surgery and varicose vein surgery.

I know a lady who cannot have a hip operation because of preexisting bone damage. Why not transplant a whole femur?

Why not a whole limb to repair a chainsaw injury?

The only real obstacle to such a system is the immune rejection problem. Find a solution to that and it all becomes possible.

The government is already discussing opt-out organ donation. This is just a further step along the same path.

Aug 18, 2018 at 12:44 PM | Unregistered CommenterEntropic man

AK, but I'm an atheist so neither book matters to me. The very painfulness of isolation (and it wouldn't be 100%) is the deterent from reoffending. Isn't it more barbaric to allow prisoners to prey upon each other? I'd have no problem with long term prisoners choosing execution. To be a deterent punishment has to hurt. If we are too squeamish to physically hurt people then we should use other forms of pain. After all, many pensioners get worse treatment. A TV presenter may not be the same as company but in most cases it is enough.

gc, one of the greatest costs of prisons is the efforts they go to stop prisoners fighting each other and the guards. A lot of the problems we currently pay for would vanish. Sentences could potentially be reduced. Those coming out would have been forced (by boredom if nothing else) to learn something useful.

Aug 18, 2018 at 12:36 PM | Unregistered CommenterTinyCO2

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Yet another press release regurgitated without digestion

Today the Times Personal Finance page has a page long article "Play a part in the electric car revolution"

Aug 18, 2018 at 12:24 PM | Registered Commenterstewgreen

11.52am. Good one EM. Made me smile.

Aug 18, 2018 at 12:22 PM | Unregistered CommenterSupertroll

Tiny. I have debated these issues since I was in grammar school, and until I retired. They are issues for which there are no right answers. You are concerned with punishment (so Old Testament) whereas, I have come to believe that our main motivation should be our protection (keeping those guilty away from us). Over the years I have come to believe some crimes do merit the death penalty - deliberate murder of police and prison officers, murder of children (although I have difficulty in deciding an age limit) and some others. We are a social species - solitary confinement for no other reason than punishment is, in my view, barbaric. For those with long sentences, it would be more humane to kill them than to drive them insane by depriving them of human contact. I have spoken to long term inmates undertaking work placement toward the end of long sentences - they were broken and as far as I knew, had not endured significant solitary confinement. Our society is supposed to be based upon New Testament principles, not Old.

Aug 18, 2018 at 12:17 PM | Unregistered CommenterSupertroll

Tesla sues Ontario govt cos they cancelled the $Can14K rebate programme
"discrimination" they shout , cos the scheme still applies to manufacturers of cheaper vehicles

Aug 18, 2018 at 12:14 PM | Registered Commenterstewgreen

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