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Again Tiny you sit aloof from afar filtering the electrons, judging me with, as far as I can tell, no real understanding of me or my sympathies - although you are claiming this. Judge me and them by all means, but please desist from putting words into my mouth, omitting what I wrote that is inconsistent with your thesis, or thirdly your own reinterpretating of my words.

Feb 17, 2019 at 10:11 AM | Unregistered CommenterSupertroll

Supertroll, Suppose you are a parent of and ISIS executioner who routinely chops off people heads could you give unconditional love to such a person ?

Feb 17, 2019 at 10:04 AM | Unregistered CommenterRoss Lea

AK, I don't care which father it was. He was there to blame the government for what should have been the parents' or the daughter's responsibility. Why did those girls have their passports? Should all unaccompanied minors be stopped from flying (I'd say yes, even though I once did just that). Should a government have the right to strip a passport from anyone a bit iffy? Would that end up with cries of racial profiling?

Feb 17, 2019 at 10:04 AM | Unregistered CommenterTinyCO2

Supertroll, That summarises everything that is wrong with our snowflake generation. Love cannot be totally unconditional.

Feb 17, 2019 at 10:01 AM | Unregistered CommenterRoss Lea

If you wish to treat her as a traitor, then do so, but accuse her first and prove it in a court.

If I were in the position of one of the fathers, I would employ every means at hand to get her back, including emotional blackmail; and be totally unrepentant about it. I would think ill of any father in a similar position who failed to employ any means available to him to get his daughter back.

There are some here who would blame the parents of these girls for allowing them to leave home. Have those of you with such criticisms tried to control 15-16 year olds lately? I have just survived a similiarly aged granddaughter living at our home, and I can tell you it ain't easy.

Feb 17, 2019 at 9:56 AM | Unregistered CommenterSupertroll

The TV news and current affairs have been driving government actions for years, often at 90 degrees to public opinion. It works like this:

If the TV news team like the government action they will do positive interviews about the direction of policy, often with the minister in charge but add ‘too little, too late’ or ‘much still has to be done’ tags. If the team disagree, they go full steam on making out the government is wrong. They get experts, members of the public, graphics and serious faced presenters to voice every possible flaw, no matter how obscure or unlikely. The third type of issue is where the team just don’t care. Then they play Devil’s Advocate. They deliberately take the contrary side and see how far they can influence it. They find the people whose opinions are at odds to the majority and present them one after another as if those views had a wider circulation. Even when they can’t find people with strong opinions the interviewers can generate them by asking one question when priming an interviewee and then asking a slightly different question on camera. Eg the person is asked ‘do you think this is an absolute disgrace’ off camera and then ‘what do you think about this’ on and the person replies ‘it’s an absolute disgrace’. Not their own words, but those the team want on camera. Like a magic trick it doesn’t work every time but they just show the ones where it does. Hey presto, the team can present a sample of public opinion that is anything but genuine. Since politicians are idiots, they are affected by the media, especially the BBC. The public too are often fooled into thinking that wider opinion is different from what it really is and might either resent it or even change their position.

The country has driven in the wrong direction on so many fronts because lefty arts graduates wanted it that way. That time is coming to an end. The news wizards have been discovered behind the curtain. People stop listening or alarmingly seek other wizards who tell a different story which is often just as or more biased.

As I demonstrated, AK’s vague sympathy for the parents can be selectively edited to indicate support for bringing the woman home, letting them adopt her child and censuring the nasty Tory government. Of course on TV he’d get no opportunity to clarify...

Feb 17, 2019 at 9:49 AM | Unregistered CommenterTinyCO2

TinyCO2 & Supertroll
Return to why the BBC is trying to manipulate and polarise UK public opinion. You are demonstrating their success.

Since December 2018, Trump is being blamed for wanting to get US Troops out of Syria, celebrating victory too early, and now it is his fault that UK and EU Prisons face overcrowding.

I had previously posted comments about Syria being due to global warming, reasons why the UK should not join the US in bombing Syria, Cameron being a warmonger without regard to innocent civilian casualties etc. I am not sure when BREXIT will be blamed for Trump's Election and war in Syria

Some in the media will manipulate and write stories to fit the political message of the day, and then "reframe" them for the next political message

Feb 17, 2019 at 9:47 AM | Unregistered Commentergolf charlie

Someone who joins a state (even self decleared) who is murdering your citizens is a trator and should be treated as such. Just because a war is undeclared it is still every bit a war.

Feb 17, 2019 at 9:35 AM | Unregistered CommenterRoss Lea

Tiny. Perhaps you ought to get the facts right. Shamima's father, AFAIK, has not cried in public. This was the father of Amira Abase. This man, publicly and legitimately blamed the authorities for allowing the three underage girls to travel on their passports unaccompanied. He may well have a legitimate grievance.

Secondly, much of the BBC coverage appears to be quotations from the Press media.

Thirdly thank you so much for your incites into my beliefs and character. Unfortunately I don't believe we have ever met.

Feb 17, 2019 at 9:16 AM | Unregistered CommenterSupertroll

AK, so your 'sympathy' for the parents amounts to what? They should be encouraged to weep on TV, try to sue the government and generate two streams of racism? One from people outraged at the idea this woman should get any help and another from those who will somehow make her a victim of race discrimination by nasty white people from this? Sympathy like that has encouraged governments over the years to shift into soppy and ineffective territory. That in turn encourages people to do stupid/evil things because they think (often correctly - see other IS returnees) that there will be no repercussions. Other people see themselves as perpetual victims of discrimination because their expectations of what they should get exceed reality. What a pity your 'sympathy' and that of many like you is not for real victims. People who are largely uninteresting to the media unless their plight is sensational or it can be blamed on the government.

The family should shut up. If they want to get her home, it should be up to them. It would be a measure of their caring for her and a recognition that it is her that has let them down not the government. They should not seek your sympathy because they don't deserve it.

They seek to adopt her child, even knowing that she would essentially still be her parent in that situation. How do you know that she wasn't the product of her parents antipathy for the West? Perhaps they pre radicalised her? Maybe IS was only an extension of what she'd been brought up to think? Or maybe they just let her do what she liked and created someone who knew no boundaries? Parents aren't always responsible for how their children turn out but then again, sometimes they are.

Feb 17, 2019 at 8:42 AM | Unregistered CommenterTinyCO2

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