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Feb 17, 2019 at 5:03 PM | M Courtney
The Wikipedia entry for Syria Civil War reveals how many internal conflicts are going on, with outside support from other countries as well as mercenaries.

Cameron was blocked from supporting Obama's bombing. Now the BBC is trying to make the population of the UK feel sorry for religious mercenaries, criminals, drug dealers etc

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-sussex-47270417
"A man found stabbed to death in a car was the brother of two young men who died fighting in Syria, police said.
Abdul Deghayes, 22, was a passenger in a silver VW Polo that collided with other cars in Brighton on Saturday. He died as a result of his stab wounds.
Mr Deghayes was the twin of Abdullah, 18, and brother of Jaffar, 17, of Brighton.
The pair were said to have become radicalised and died fighting with Islamists in Syria in 2014.
Mr Deghayes, who was jailed in 2017 for drug dealing, died at the Royal Sussex County Hospital following the crash at 21:30 GMT on Saturday near St Joseph's church, Elm Grove

The totally unfit and irresponsible mother has now produced her third child
BBC "Her husband surrendered to a group of Syrian fighters as they left, and she is now one of 39,000 people in a camp in northern Syria"

This morning, Penny Mordaunt said that the safety of the British public should come first.

It is not clear whether the camp with 39,001 people in it, is a legal sanctuary giving those who have fled there, immunity from prosecution by Syrians for crimes committed on Syrian soil. It is not clear who is paying to feed and care for 39,001 people who have fled land previously ruined by ISIS occupation.

Syria could designate the camp as a POW Camp, and make good use of those interned to replough the bomb cratered land, scatter seeds, rebuild civilian housing etc. It would be more just and constructive than the Islamic Law they were so keen to embrace. It might take a few years, but it would save the rest of the world, including the UK, a lot of bother and money.

Feb 17, 2019 at 7:18 PM | Unregistered Commentergolf charlie

The BBC (still wrongly IMO) continues to make this the top story:

"IS teenage bride Shamima Begum gives birth to boy"

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-47270857

However, I think I see an important difference:

1. Shamina Begum is completely unrepentant, whilst demonstrating a remarkable degree of selfishness and sense of entitlement:

"The 19-year-old told Sky News: "People should have sympathy towards me for everything I've been through."

...Asked if she had made a mistake by travelling to Syria, Ms Begum told Sky News: "In a way, yes, but I don't regret it because it's changed me as a person.

"It's made me stronger, tougher. I married my husband. I wouldn't have found someone like him back in the UK."

She continued: "I had my kids, I did have a good time there.

"It's just that then things got harder and I couldn't take it anymore."

...Asked if she was aware of IS beheadings before going to Syria, she told Sky News: "I knew about those things and I was OK with it. Because, you know, I started becoming religious just before I left.

"From what I heard, Islamically that is all allowed."

She continued: "During the time I left I saw all the videos on the internet and that just kind of attracted me to them. Like it attracted a lot of people."

Ms Begum said she escaped from Baghuz, Islamic State's last stronghold in eastern Syria, two weeks ago.

Her husband, a Dutch convert to Islam, is thought to have surrendered to a group of Syrian fighters."

2. The BBC is actually reporting her words, as reported by Sky News, instead of covering up for her. I commend the honesty of their reporting on this occasion.

By the way, stewgreen, thanks for the observation that the newly-born child's father is Dutch. I had spotted that, and had also been musing on why nobody is asking questions of the Dutch authorities and the Dutch grandparents. Why is it always soft old Britain that has to carry the can?

Feb 17, 2019 at 6:52 PM | Unregistered CommenterMark Hodgson

Just caught up on this story about the Muslim woman who wants to get back here.
Why wouldn't she? But why would we trust that she is now convinced of the superiority of Western states to Islamic states? If she isn't, what would she be doing here?

The BBC does seem to be giving excessive prominence to this story. So far this month France has bombed both Libya and Chad in support of tits special forces. That seems to be a bit more relevant to the West's relationship with Islamic culture than the remnants of a failed Islamic insurgency. Yet the BBC hasn't mentioned it. Even the Guardian has reported on France's neo-imperialism but not our state broadcaster.

Supertroll writes, "Sympathy is not rationed, giving it does not prevent it being offered elsewhere."
This is true. It should be acknowledged.

Feb 17, 2019 at 5:03 PM | Registered CommenterM Courtney

I see the BBC web site is giving a shouty top headline to a claim that that teenager has given birth. The term Jumped the Shark comes to mind.

What a pile of crap - what are they seeking to achieve ?

Has a team of reporters been dispatched to Holland to interview the paternal grandparents? Are they having a whip round in the newsroom for baby stuff? Perhaps Shamima will star in a new BBC3 reality show tentatively titled "Coming Home”

Stewgreen
LPG and flywheel you say? Whenever I see LPG mentioned I recall that TfL withdrew the Congestion Zone concession for gas powered vehicles as too many punters were using them and that represented an unacceptable revenue loss. - it's not about pollution... Why won't anybody ask Sadiq about the extensions to the LEZ?

Feb 17, 2019 at 3:21 PM | Registered Commentertomo

Tiny. "By even giving your sympathy to them and their families, you disrespect the real victims".
What utter utter crapola. I haven't expressed any sympathy for the girls, and what's wrong with having sympathy for the parents, who got no support whatsoever in preventing their girls from travelling to Syria (using someone else's passport unnoticed, delay in informing Turkish authorities in time, authorities that definitely tried to prevent their onward movement which is more than the UK did)? Sympathy is not rationed, giving it does not prevent it being offered elsewhere.

"There are those out there with desperate needs who get almost nothing because we live in a world where everybody is encouraged to demand a share of the victim pie".

Perhaps, but then blame society in general. Cannot you find it in your heart to find the girls, when they left, as at least partial victims? And the parents?

Obviously you consider my views to be without merit and those of an irredeemable liberal. But I grow tired of being the butt of everyone's criticism and opposition. Even when I tentatively offer my sympathy to you, you seemingly throw it back at me. At least the abuse has gone.

Feb 17, 2019 at 2:24 PM | Unregistered CommenterSupertroll

13:54pm Now on R4 Adrian Goldberg is plugging an eco-train
Parry People Mover
runs on LPG and flywheel
..The track into Stourbridge is just 1.3Km
It's been running for 10 years

1.3Km is pointless ..I'd always just walk
https://twitter.com/The_Rail_Life/status/1084062955749195779

Feb 17, 2019 at 1:59 PM | Registered Commenterstewgreen

BBC for MetroLiberals by MetroLiberals constantly spitting agendas in your face, StopBrexit, Climate etc.

... OK lets dip into the food prog
Title : "Should I boycott palm oil?" ...Oh FFS

Presenter Sheila Dillon "so 10 years ago you really should have boycotted palm oil, but now the trees have ben cut down , what ?
..Famous Indian chef man, you used to be a big supporter of palm oil"
Chef man "although the plantation I visited was great the nearby ones could have been bad
.. so now we don't use much palm , we stopped using ghee mostly
.. We get rapeseed from BBC Adam Henson's farm in the Corswolds"
https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m0002lhw

Feb 17, 2019 at 1:50 PM | Registered Commenterstewgreen

Begum is just one of those stupid stories medialand put up
Don't know if the distraction is deliberate
..but there is probably more iportant stuff going on
..The senate Committee clearing Trump on Russians ?
..The Chicago racist attack on a celeb turning out to be faked ?

BTW The baby is half Dutch cos of the father
Yet I have not heard talk of whether it is Holland's responsibility.

Feb 17, 2019 at 1:44 PM | Registered Commenterstewgreen

AK, is there anyone who hasn't been hurt at some point? One accepts that there are bad people in the World. Where we are let down is by the ranks of people who don the mantle of caring, who expend all or even any of the energy and resources on the bad people. By even giving your sympathy to them and their families, you disrespect the real victims.

There are those out there with desperate needs who get almost nothing because we live in a world where everybody is encouraged to demand a share of the victim pie. Child services are bankrupting councils because every other child has ADHD or dyslexia or autism. Can't accuse them of being lazy or badly brought up. Bullied children are the ones asked to move schools because the bullies are some way disadvantaged. Parents are no longer expected to take responsibility for their kids. Ironically the system would rather take a child away than admonish a bad parent for being a bad parent.

There was a joke going round when I was a kid - A good Samaritan comes across a bleeding man in the gutter. Immediately the Samaritan falls to his knees, weeping 'Oh what a desperate state the poor man was in who did this'. That has been a metaphore for our liberals and the twisted sence of right and wrong they bring to our society.

I'm just thoroughly sick of those who feel there is some superiority in feeling sorry for the worst people in society. Perhaps if society started to universally condemn bad people, the role wouldn't quite so easy to fall into.

Feb 17, 2019 at 1:32 PM | Unregistered CommenterTinyCO2

Rhoda

The private anguish or otherwise of her parents should not be a factor in whether she should return or be helped to do so".

Largely agree (see below), but I have never argued this.

"All I can see from having her back is expense. Trial, punishment, adoption, all costing us money to no balancing advantage."

True, but if we allow our government and authorities to pick and choose which British citizens to aid, take care that in future it's not you or some other innocent victim. Even captured drug mules have been given aid in the past. The only reason I believe they should not be offered aid is if they constitute a definite threat. Do they? Can you prove it?

Feb 17, 2019 at 12:52 PM | Unregistered CommenterSupertroll

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