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To clarify the above I belive ALL schools should be secular as I believe is the case in France.

Aug 17, 2018 at 1:20 PM | Unregistered CommenterRoss Lea

TinyCo2

I am a secularist. I believe all religious doctrines should be taught outside of any school and confined to Sunday school type forums etc. I think most of the conflicts and haltered are down to mystical beliefs that have absolutely no basis in science. If you need examples the sectarian schools in N.I. Witness the recent disclosure about the Disbury Mosque. If we allow immigration at all it should only allow full citizenship to people who are prepared to integrate, accept our laws and cultural conventions anything else is a receipt of conflict and disaster.

Aug 17, 2018 at 1:16 PM | Unregistered CommenterRoss Lea

GolfCharlie. The water gardens of Andalusia are still there in all their wonderment. Similar pools and fountains can be found in North African oases and the Moors simply transferred their knowledge and technology northwards and expanded them. Upon the reconquest of Andalusia, those gardens were carefully preserved and treasured.

As to Russel (aka foam-man) it was a lose-lose situation. I was genuinely interested in his work.

Aug 17, 2018 at 12:40 PM | Unregistered CommenterSupertroll

A reasonable case made in today's Guardian against indiscriminate stone stacking, especially in wild places by Patrick Barkham who uses the dictum "leave no trace" - actually I thought it was "Leave only footprints, take only memories".

Aug 17, 2018 at 12:29 PM | Unregistered CommenterSupertroll

Aug 17, 2018 at 11:01 AM | Supertroll

For the Barcelona Olympics, many fountains and water features were incorporated into the landscaping, to create some outdoor aircon.

This was a modern update of the traditional architecture and designs of the Moors, that El Cid apparently got rid of.

Did the Moors get it from Ancient Eqyptians, Persians, the Hanging Gardens of Babylon?

Surely the problem with all these schemes is the generation of the power to cover a large enough sector of the planet?

I DO remember your genuine interest on this Blog about the ideas of one Russell Seitz. His response was more churlish than Michael Mann.

Aug 17, 2018 at 12:06 PM | Unregistered Commentergolf charlie

They eloquently some up much of the way in which I see the world.

Aug 17, 2018 at 9:02 AM | Mark Hodgson

When demonstrators demand "Death to all Extremists" ...........

Aug 17, 2018 at 11:51 AM | Unregistered Commentergolf charlie

Aug 17, 2018 at 10:48 AM | Uibhist a Tuath

Agreed! I support BREXIT. I do not support Extremism.

About 20 years ago, I had to fill out a form to identify my ethnicity. There was no box for me to tick to say I was ENGLISH. British was an option, but so was Welsh, Scottish, Irish. I had lots of options for the Indian sub-Continent.

Blairite Political Correctness Gone Mad? A softener for Welsh and Scottish Devolution and EU integration? I don't know, but definitely politically motivated money wasting.

As an Englishman (quarter Irish actually) I have no desire or need to march anywhere carrying a Cross of St George (wasn't he Greek?) but I do not want my ethnicity and culture erased.

As a former Rugby player, I always support England in the 5 now 6 Nations. I admire how Ireland represent the Island of Ireland. I have family connections with Scotland and Wales. As an Englishman I support the Italians as courageous underdogs, and love and loath the French depending on the mood and flair of their 15 men on the pitch, during the game.

Aug 17, 2018 at 11:49 AM | Unregistered Commentergolf charlie

Uibhist a Tuath, the northern countries want the migrants to stop in the first country they arrive at but that's very unfair. The reality is that nobody wants them. They're mostly not the skilled, hands on, eager to work individuals the politicians were hoping for. Even those with skills aren't good enough for western standards. Health and safety is for wusses. They're expected to behave towards others, especially women with much more respect and do everything from not smoke in public spaces to learn a new language. Very quickly resentment starts in (assuming they didn't arrive with it) and they stop appreciating what they get (food shelter and above all safety) and start thinking that they deserve what all those undeserving Europeans (like women) have. They soon learn that it's possible to just take what they want and largely suffer no consequences. The more crime that is committed, the more lax the authorities are becomming.

While there are wonderful migrants who do their very best to fit in, the majority just transfer their cultures with them. gc may be right that much of the difference is a mere 200 years of our development but those 200 years have been meteoric in change and you'd be surprised how much older some of our modern culture extends back. Integration can be effected in a mere lifetime so second generation migrants can fit in seamlessly but only if they are immersed in western culture and are fed positive messages by their families. Not only have westerners not insisted newcomers be respectful of our culture (the good bits at least) they have encouraged people to keep their differences, no matter how repulsive.

It hasn't bothered MPs that parallel cultures evolve, other than wondering what WE have done to cause it. Even the EU citizens have started isolating themselves in mono culture enclaves. Whenever you hear of a white attack on another race, it's not uncommon for the white individuals to be non British. The reason is simple - because they can. They are here in sufficient numbers to feel enboldened by their own kind.

There is no point trying to lump the problem onto the southern EU countries. We need to choose standards and enforce them. Citizenship should be conditional on a lifetime of good behaviour. Explusions should be swift. And there's the rub. EU/UK rules have made enforcing rules and expulsions so hard, people have stopped trying. For me, leaving the EU represents an opportunity to change that.

Aug 17, 2018 at 11:35 AM | Unregistered CommenterTinyCO2

GolfCharlie. At the scale it has been used in the past, yes weather-engineering might be a better term, but as proposed on a global scale of spraying clouds with seawater, the intent is not necessarily to cause precipitation, but to brighten clouds, increasing Earth's albedo. My "knowledge" of this is based solely upon reading a WUWT article upon the subject some time back.

Aug 17, 2018 at 11:01 AM | Unregistered CommenterSupertroll

Aug 17, 2018 at 8:54 AM | Rhoda Klapp

My response to Supertroll was meant to refer to your comments too!

Aug 17, 2018 at 10:51 AM | Unregistered Commentergolf charlie

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