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Jun 15, 2019 at 1:13 PM | Ross Lea

Do you realise how many of those items have been messed up with extra complexity and cost by Climate Scientists and the Green Blob?

Jun 15, 2019 at 2:35 PM | Unregistered Commentergolf Charlie

Jun 15, 2019 at 12:00 PM | Ross Lea
It would be suicidal for the Conservatives to drag this out!


"If Farage endorsed a candidate it would make a difference
Jun 15, 2019 at 12:10 PM | stewgreen"

It would make a difference, but there is no advantage for Farage at the moment to nail The Brexit Party's Colours to anyone else's mast. If BoJo is nobbled by wine women or song, Farage still has the same package deal to offer to a new Prime Minister of ANY Party, or to the COUNTRY at a General Election if faced with a Rainbow Alliance.


"The EU vote is not a true measure of voting intention.
Jun 15, 2019 at 12:13 PM | TinyCO2"
Agreed!
Local and EU Elections, along with UK By-Elections have been great opportunities for protest and tactical voting. The Liberals have a good track record over 25+(?) years of offering the tactical voter an option. The Brexit Party have just done the same.

Labour are as split over BREXIT as the Conservatives. The current rise of the Liberals has attracted Remainers from Left and Right. It will also attract more of the Blairite New Labour remnants that Corbyn's Labour despises, along with St Greta's youthful fan club, as they greenshirt their way through schools, colleges and universities

The BBC have made clear their opposition to BREXIT, but there has not been a credible "Leader of BREXIT Opposition" for them to get behind. The BBC have annoyed those from Labour and Conservative in favour of BREXIT, by labelling them as Far Right Extremists. (France has similarly labelled Les Gilets Jaune)

Labour have moved Far Left. The Centre ground is there, right now, for any Party, but Centrists from Labour and Conservatives have tended to favour Remain. I know this is a sweeping generalisation as I am centre/rightabit

ASSUMING BREXIT HAPPENS (!!!!) any Politician, Party or organisation that has staked its future on obstructing BREXIT, then has to rethink its own credibility and manifesto anyway.

Remainers are still assuming the EU will Remain the same in 5 years. I think it will be worse.

Jun 15, 2019 at 2:00 PM | Unregistered Commentergolf charlie

If you've not seen this, it sums up the Brexit situation in staightforward terms :-)

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=yGL-XJPuCuo

Jun 15, 2019 at 1:57 PM | Unregistered CommenterDaveS

And all the while, the challenge to the legality of the Brexit extension beyond 29 March is heading for the court room with hardly a mention by the MSM, the government or MPs. Compare and contrast with the Gina Miller case.

Jun 15, 2019 at 1:40 PM | Unregistered CommenterDaveS

What is a popular manifesto I hear you cry:-
1 Integrate the NHS with Social care and make it a truly “Cradle to the Grave Service”.
2 Integrate the Railway and Railtrack into a single system. Either private of or public at least one seamless service.
3 Scrap HS2 and invest in the rail and road infrastructure
4 Root and branch reform of the planning laws, Outlaw land banks with a time limit on planning permission. Build more social and private housing as a result. Remove stamp duty and restrictive planning requirements e.g. insulation etc. Help the young to buy or rent their homes with more secure tenancies.
5 Scrap all green subsidies and smart meter rollouts stressing the saving on domestic energy bills as a result.
6 Scrap Hinkley Point and all similar project and go to small scale modular nuclear plants instead.
7 Convert all existing coal power stations to gas and get fracking explaining the consequent reduction in CO2 emissions and energy bills.
8 Take the prison and probation service back under state control.
9 Split DEFRA into Farming and Fisheries, and Environment. Scrap Natural England altogether.
10 bring back the death penalty for terrorist murders and other murders where there is no doubt of guilt.
(This alone will save a huge amount on prison and surveillance costs.)
11 Pay universal credit a month in advance.
Etc.
I realise that this may be my manifesto rather that a strictly a popular one but I still feel it would be a vote winner !

Jun 15, 2019 at 1:13 PM | Unregistered CommenterRoss Lea

The EU vote is not a true measure of voting intention. While Labour might be depleted in a GE, they wouldn't hesitate to form a union with the Greens and the SNP, which would leave the Lib Dems as king maker. I doubt they'd side with the Tories again. The Lib Dems would sell their soul to get another referendum or a reversal. I doubt that scenario would really suit Tory remainers.

What nobody has ever tested is how many people are middle ground remainers, although many MPs and media types assume that they're the norm.

Jun 15, 2019 at 12:13 PM | Unregistered CommenterTinyCO2

If Farage endorsed a candidate it would make a difference

Jun 15, 2019 at 12:10 PM | Registered Commenterstewgreen

The wise course is to confirm Boris Johnson as leader of the party and for the other candidates to withdraw. Then the party need to look at the opinion polls and get a popular manifesto. Call a general election with a strategic pact with the Brexit Party (Nigel Farage said he would deal with the Devil himself to get Brexit through). This would also axe the proposed disastrous Climate Law. Don't hold your breath the Conservative Party is on a suicide mission !

Jun 15, 2019 at 12:00 PM | Unregistered CommenterRoss Lea

Jun 15, 2019 at 9:19 AM | TinyCO2

The EU Elections were a disaster for Labour and Conservatives. Both got punished for being divisive not decisive. The protest voters went either to The Brexit Party or to the Liberals.

The Conservatives are being asked to make a crucial short term decision about their Party's future. I expect a few Union bosses are having some important discussions too. The EU + Climate Science = Disaster for Blue Collar Workers.

US Democrats and UK Labour both forgot about the voters they took for granted.

I still don't believe anybody has a magical solution to BREXIT, but BoJo will have more backing for pursuing UK rather than EU interests. He will lack a majority Government.

What are Labour going to do now that their position, sitting on the fence, has got wobbly?

The Liberals will welcome any Remain MP seeking a chance of political survival.

97% of the conflict is due to Climate Science.

Jun 15, 2019 at 10:53 AM | Unregistered Commentergolf charlie

gc, I'm not sure what the remainers in the Tory party hope to achieve, unless it's a new election and an outright Lib Dem win. Any other scenario would both wipe out the Tories and put the Labour party in the driving seat but see us still in Brexit limbo. A rainbow coalition would be a Tory nightmare with every socialist out there handed a carving knife. Remaining in the EU under those circumstances would be an unrewarding outcome. Even a new referendum would deliver a similar result, with a precedence set for a narrow win to be contested. The Tories would be blamed for any mess, even if they weren't in the driving seat. Meanwhile the Brexit Party would become a real contender.

Potentially the rich center will all be attracted to the Lib Dems. It's a party for the richer left wing, who are influential and well seeded in all three main parties but not really high in number. Over so many issues this group has relied on the plebs to back them up, either in socialism or capitalism. On Brexit they've discovered that when they shout 'who's with me!', their normal foot soldiers aren't there. Labour's young elite might be remainers but they also red to the core. The Tory faithful are significatly pro Brexit and contrary to the remainer's dismay, aren't responding to threats.

Jun 15, 2019 at 9:19 AM | Unregistered CommenterTinyCO2

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