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Blimey. Only the sun is a cause, everything else is an effect. Where's my runaway to a limit? Absent, that's where. And that shows there is no net positive feedback occurring. A degree of stability that a little change to a minor factor like CO2 does not upset.

You may remember my null hypothesis:

Nothing much is happening and if it does we can adapt.

Feb 16, 2018 at 9:31 PM | Unregistered Commenterrhoda


The balance between ice and open water is a response to temperature change at lower latitudes.

Water vapour content in the atmosphere is temperature dependant.

Don't confuse cause and effect.

These are responses to increasing energy in the climate system, not the cause.

Feb 16, 2018 at 9:22 PM | Unregistered CommenterEntropic man

EM, what water does dominates all the other things in your list. There's water, and the sun. Given Earth's other characteristics are effectively fixed, that's it as far as major factors are concerned. And because what water does IS such a major factor the idea that it is a positive feedback is laughable, we'd be up against the stop in one direction or other immediately.

Feb 16, 2018 at 8:30 PM | Unregistered Commenterrhoda

Weird Norfolk "That video of the girl getting oral sex is in my granddads local tesco " in Stalham
Filmed through the manager's office window on Saturday evening.
The girl cried as she was escorted off the premises on Monday alongside a “distraught” Neville, according to witnesses.
The pair have “both left the business” after the footage emerged, a source confirmed.
Unexpected item in the slagging area ?

If that happens in a Norfolk Tescos, what luxuries can you see thru the Waitrose windows ?

Feb 16, 2018 at 8:09 PM | Registered Commenterstewgreen

Portillo at San Diego Dam which is being extended to cope with mega floods
Sweetwater Dam first failed after heavy rains in 1916

And we were told by 2016 drought it was down to 10% and after the rains it's back up to 50%

Feb 16, 2018 at 8:03 PM | Unregistered Commenterstewgreen


the Lundgren business is simply legal bullying. One little guy likely on a low rent industrial estate trying to extend the usefulness of things before they're shredded... vs Micro$oft. Effin lawyers again..... Eric shouldn't be looking at prison time - that's a certainty.

I remember back in the day when Microsoft got caught bang to rights doing *actual* software pirating with MS-DOS 6 and had to get back all the discs they'd sold with stolen software on them... and re-issue the OS as Version 6.22.

Feb 16, 2018 at 7:13 PM | Registered Commentertomo

Eric Lundgren conviction sounds like Judge Technophobe could not comprehend simple fact that without a COA/Key Windows is bricked.

Eric should win on appeal.

Feb 16, 2018 at 7:02 PM | Registered CommenterPcar


If you could clearly explain which ocean changes you have in mind I might be able to suggest which control knob they relate to. If you mean ENSO and PDO, they are short term variations with no long term effect on the control knobs.

Uibhist a thigh

Volcanism affects mostly albedo as particulates from eruptions temporarily increase albedo.

The other effects you mention are purely speculative. The only one tested is Svenmark's effect, which as been tested at CERN and found to be too weak to have any real effect on climate

Feb 16, 2018 at 6:53 PM | Unregistered CommenterEntropic man

Entropic man
Additional noise and random inputs from volcanism, magnetic pole shift (who knows what this does to cloud cover if Svensmark is even partially correct), Interstellar dust, rotation of Milky Way and spectral solar irradiance variations.

Feb 16, 2018 at 6:32 PM | Unregistered CommenterUibhist a Tuath

Entropic Man. Oh so six control knobs. So which of those cause oceanic changes that long have been known to affect climate?

Feb 16, 2018 at 6:20 PM | Unregistered CommenterSupertroll

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