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Robert Christopher
Thanks for the reply
The orbit comment was supposed to be light-hearted, the Churchill one more serious, TonyPandy, Glasgow, 51st Highland Division, Sidney Street and The Black and Tans amongst his better known controversial actions.There are a lot of other less well known interventions in other people's wars and support of maintaining tranquility in the British Empire which even at the time were contentious. Had I not been interested, like many young Scots in the 1960s in was part of my family story, in the 51st Highland Division's capture at St Valery en Caux I wouldn't been aware of these more controversial aspects of his life, whilst acknowledging his wartime leadership for which he is rightly feted. Another complex multi-faceted human, although for many the warts have been airbrushed away by his later life.

Mar 24, 2017 at 9:07 AM | Unregistered CommenterSandyS

Mar 24, 2017 at 7:11 AM by Supertroll

So you prefer the spin, created some time after Galileo's death for political purposes relatively unconnected with Galileo's work, by people with an agenda, that only clouds the issues of the time. That isn't the History of Galileo, but of spin, how History can be rewritten. Current Politics overules Science? Lord Deban would be proud.

I would rather know Galileo by what he did and what others thought at the time.

Mar 24, 2017 at 9:06 AM | Unregistered CommenterRobert Christopher

Clipe. I really wasn't commenting on John Robson, but upon the link Robert made to a revisionist appraisal of Galileo which I greatly enjoyed reading.
This, however, sweeps his experimental physics under the carpet and downplays his almost unique defiance to church dogma. For me they make Galileo outstanding.

Your use of Supertrollman ambiguous. Referring to Marvel Comics entry was no help.

Mar 24, 2017 at 7:11 AM | Unregistered CommenterSupertroll

One more Inconvenient non-Truth won't save Climate Science, but it will be great for Gore's Bank Account.

Mar 24, 2017 at 2:45 AM | Unregistered Commentergolf charlie

oops. Alan Kendall Supertrollman.

Mar 24, 2017 at 2:16 AM | Unregistered Commenterclipe

@Robert Christopher @Alan Kendall

What John Robson said.

It is of course possible that the dissenters are wrong about the science. But it is not possible that they are wrong to express their doubts. Remember Galileo?

Mar 24, 2017 at 2:02 AM | Unregistered Commenterclipe


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Mar 24, 2017 at 1:06 AM | Registered CommenterPcar

Mar 23, 2017 at 11:19 PM | Radical Rodent

Did you see a hand shown in the vehicle portrayed on TV being driven away? When was it filmed? How many other vehicles exited with Police Escorts? (or Range Rovers, other escort agencies are available)

I think you are making more assumptions than a Climate Scientist does when driving to "work" in 2017, and they were never reliable anyway.

Mar 24, 2017 at 12:25 AM | Unregistered Commentergolf charlie

@RR, Mar 23, 2017 at 11:19 PM

TinyCO2: I’m not getting at you – I’m questioning the tactic of removing the prime target from a reasonably safe location, large enough to ensure the exact location cannot be determined, and placing into a less safe location (on the streets), and into a more accurately determinable place (the car).

Several reasons, if you want more detail ask on Arrse.

1. Security detail don't know if others inc MPs are a threat to PM - Opposition leader supports hamas, ira etc and many Labour RoP MPs

2. PM could be in any of many vehicles, tunnel, aircraft - not trapped in enclosed space.

3. As above, in NI Prince Andrew visited my xxx, three RAF helis arrived - no numbers. When he left all took off at same time & danced.

4. From NI experience UK security are well aware what works best.

Mar 24, 2017 at 12:10 AM | Registered CommenterPcar

Mar 23, 2017 at 5:21 PM of SandyS

In the days before Galileo it was believed that stuff near the ground went in a curve, towards the ground because, well, because that is what cannon balls did, like everything else, and it was different stuff to stuff up in the sky.

Things up in the heavens, like planets, went around in circles, within circles, within circles, within circles, until the observations matched the calculations because that is what they did:
wikipedia: epicycle

It was one of those special times when 'the Science was settled'. What was good enough for the Ancient Greeks was good enough for the Establishment of the day.

It was the same Establishment that Galileo was fighting, but he didn't realise that epicycles, or even circles, were not part of the new order when it came to planetary motion. He didn't persevere with this problem, like Kepler did: he couldn't because he didn't have Tycho Brahe's data! :) But who needs data when you have an antagonist with a lot of enthusiasm for a hastily derived theory that explains what he had seen and could be used against his enemies? Without the data he, a Maths Professor, couldn't do the Maths, which is what usually makes or breaks Physics.

Circles were heavenly shapes. In fact, Galileo's wiki entry has, "Galileo also took no interest in Kepler's elliptical orbits of the planets". It wasn't a case of Galileo couldn't be bothered to say ellipse or orbit, he hadn't let go of heavenly circular motion.

Churchill did say "To jaw-jaw is always better than to war-war", but I expect that he knew when it had its limits, which is why what I quoted is a series escalating council similar to 'a stitch in time save nine'.

Mar 24, 2017 at 12:01 AM | Registered CommenterRobert Christopher

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