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I've just listened to the Radio 4 interview of Nigel Lawson. It was definitely one of the best programmes I have heard on the BBC for a long time and definitely worth the 45 minutes. I'm amazed that the BBC allowed it to be broadcast.
Phillip Bratby
@Skiphill error - That same page contains a link to this story : "DWP gears up to sell skeptical customers on its proposed rate hikes". mSeems this year the
I forgo tto say - yesterday I listened to the Freakonomics podcast : "How Efficient Is Energy Efficiency?"
stewgreen
@Skiphill that article ends \\"If we get this wrong, we're going to look like fools in California," he said.//
- That same page contains a link to this story : "How Efficient Is Energy Efficiency?"
- California was also an early pioneer of energy efficient homes law, which reduced energy consumption by 80% from previous levels !! This is often stated as fact eg NYT 2014
- Except Arik Levinson came along and checked it .. In reality there was a ZERO reduction ..homes use 100% of the energy that they used in the past .
- The quoted 80% stat comes from a prediction a researcher made BEFORE the laws. He still stands by it ..but he does run an efficiency housing business.
Prof Arik Levinson who did a stint advising President Obama.Wrote The paper “How Much Energy Do Building Energy Codes Really Save? Evidence From California”
- He said the Rebound Effect seems huge, that people spend energy saving on more energy.
BTW how come when Beeb mentions UK productivity is not good compared to other countries they never mention that our eco-pioneering might have something to do with it ?
stewgreen
stewgreen
mind reading goats mebbe ... They've put quite a lot of work in ... Celebrity / pol endorsement is sure to follow -> Yoko Ono, Leonardo de Caprio? - my money's on Daryl Hannah :-)
tomo
@Tomo OK good way of feeding truth to the Greenies
BUT at the very bottom of the page is a link to the Daily Mail !
....the Cheltenham boys are ruining their own subtlety
( ...this URL will self-destruct in 13 hours)
stewgreen
Sorry, stewgreen, it wasn't fair game.
On the numerous occasions I interviewed a local councillor about some aspect of council policy for which he was responsible I did not throw in gratuitous "have you stopped beating your wide" questions. If I interviewed a council leader on party policy, ditto.
If I interview a man who just been elected as group leader for his party then the man himself becomes fair game.
If Pell is daft enough to put himself forward for interview by the muckraking press then likewise he becomes fair game. He is entitled to expect that specialist press, like the FT, interviewing him on a matter relating to that speciality will stick to the subject.
Mike Jackson
Whoooh - "edgy" Greenpeice competitor offers a critique of renewable / "green" energy and a remedy for the situation :-)
Luddite gets partway there - but actually - hardly covers the scope of it.... amazing.
That they're actively recruiting acolytes on the basis of this has to be up there with Jim Jones Kool Aid crew.
Like just..... wow.
tomo
Anyone know what has happened to Nicola Scafetta's blog and other links? Has he left Duke University? Here are some links that no longer work:
http://people.duke.edu/~ns2002/#astronomical_model_1
http://people.duke.edu/~ns2002/pdf/cv_nscafetta.pdf
I like his stuff if only because his model, which I presume could fit into a decent programmable calculator, has been doing a better forecasting job for global mean temp than the bloated GCMs.
John Shade
@MikeJ It was fair game for the reporter to ask Pell that question, cos he would have been fishing for a scoop quote on child abuse ..he didn't get it though.
Direct link to 35th min where Lawson spoke on GlobalWarming "when peoplesay that today'spoor must suffer cosof something that MIGHT happen to people in the future ..who will be due to development much richer is profoundly unethical."
BTW My error, "Lawson was not trending"..on this quiet day apparently he trended in London (meyybe just a few minutes)
- Talking of twats; a couple of quotes came up
Guess which twat said this 9 months ago?
"The BBC has continued with its goal of always including someone associated with the Global Warming Policy Foundation in any segment on climate science. ".....begins in A ends in P
Shows he lives in a fantasy universe..I listen to BBC all the time, and hear unopposed alarmist nonsense all the time.
And Jeremy Hardy; a review of his show in Lerwick from 5 days ago
"over two hours of classy stand-up comedy" "The Greens, who Hardy voted for in May’s election, didn’t escape his gaze. Why, he wondered, did they replace highly respected, well-known MP Caroline Lucas with an “unknown Australian amnesiac” in Natalie Bennett?
He rightly chided the mainstream media for CONSTANTLY inviting climate change sceptics (“usually shrunken former chancellor Nigel Lawson”) to debate the issue with experts when there is consensus among 98 per cent of scientists that it is a manmade phenomenon."
Him and his reviewer both living in a fantasy universe where constantly means something else.
@Joe Ronan Re FT login ..with my free registration I can see that Pell interview, I don't get FT spam
stewgreen
@Philip Bratby: Thanks for that link to R4. It was good to get a more rounded picture of Lawson (the Atheist! Who knew? And not a raving one, at that.). I particularly liked the bit about MT (Thatcher) not reading newspapers so Bernard Ingham gave her a press briefing, which he always led with the news as reported by the Sun. But as he had already briefed the Sun on what the state of play was he was really only telling her what his opinion was, in a round-a-bout way. Now that's what I call politics.
Later on, when NL got on to Climate Change and was faced by the questioner about the 'consensus', NL was not very good at showing that the consensus was not what science was about - not that the study supporting consensus was valid science. However, he came across well and the questioner was not a raving greenie, which helped.