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Tiny, may I second Supertroll's comments. I have observed the debate at the other place, without commenting (yet) with regard to the recent re-activation of the discussion thread in question. I may stir myself from my lethargy, and weigh in on your side, for I am in complete agreement with you over there (as I usually am on most topics).

Sep 18, 2018 at 7:51 PM | Unregistered CommenterMark Hodgson

Tiny. I hope your intended absence from "another place" will be only short lived. I particularly enjoyed our interaction there and you are needed.

Sep 18, 2018 at 7:35 PM | Unregistered CommenterSupertroll

TinyCO2 at 1:44pm

It's been being hollowed out for years - the BBC engineering family silver was getting handed out the back door over 10-15 years ago - if I recall correctly the distribution and transmission facilities were transferred for relative peanuts complete with contracts.... many people on the engineering side moved out too... They used to design broadcast equipment and have it built to their specs.

The cult of generalist managerialism and the liberal artsy sociology of victimhood practitioners were glad to see the engineers go I reckon. The unions still must have quite a hold since the BBC jobs I have gotten to see look superficially overstuffed with purportedly overpaid personnel - purely my perception - I might be misjudging on a small sample...

Sep 18, 2018 at 7:25 PM | Registered Commentertomo

Times has an offer 36 pounds for three months of 7 day print editions
(instead of just 1 month)

To me online is better cos you get comment access
My current promo account runs out in a few weeks so I'll have to find someone to share with.

Sep 18, 2018 at 6:11 PM | Registered Commenterstewgreen

Toxic air makes school day a threat to pupils’ health
Ben Webster, Environment Editor

Going to school can be worse for children’s health than staying at home because of the amount of toxic air that they breathe during school runs and in playgrounds and classrooms, a study has found.

Sep 18, 2018 at 4:40 PM | Registered Commenterstewgreen

Audi hasa full page ad in the Times
..pure virtue signalling

it says"Audi E-tron"

then a the bottom says
'coming soon not yet available to order"

Sep 18, 2018 at 4:23 PM | Registered Commenterstewgreen

Heat left baby hedgehogs in need of rescue
David Crossland, Berlin | Rhys Blakely, Tom Whipple (takes 3 journos to write ?)
“The problems began with the mums. They couldn’t get water for milk; the hoglets would suck them dry,”
Gill Lucraft, manager of the Hedgehog Bottom wildlife sanctuary in Thatcham, Berkshire, said

ours was nicking thecstrawberries, then plenty of fallen fruits

Sep 18, 2018 at 3:59 PM | Registered Commenterstewgreen

Times : Heatwave led to hundreds more deaths by Chris Smyth
Hundreds more people than usual died during the first days of the summer heatwave, according to official figures
(yeh but Less died overall..muppets)

A spike in deaths at the end of June coincided with a heat alert and followed a hot two-day period in April when hundreds more than expected died. So far this year 7,000 more people have died than the recent average.

Office for National Statistics figures showed that on April 18 and 19, when temperatures peaked at 29C in London, there were 243 more deaths than usual. This was followed by three days with 378 fewer deaths than usual.

In the summer a slightly colder spell on June 21 and 22 saw 214 fewer deaths, but from June 25 to the end of the month there were 382 more deaths than average. Bob Ward of the Grantham Research Institute on Climate Change and the Environment at the London School of Economics said it was likely that many who died in the hot spell had underlying illnesses. “Nonetheless, many of these deaths may have been prevented if buildings were better adapted to prevent overheating,” he added.

There were 108,537 deaths between April and June, 497 fewer than the five-year average.

Sep 18, 2018 at 3:48 PM | Registered Commenterstewgreen

Sep 18, 2018 at 11:30 AM | Supertroll

Thank you for that info.

I can remember stories from 1980 (ish?) about the rise in acidity of Lake District/Scottish/Welsh rivers lakes and lochs. But there was no rise in acidity in areas that had not been planted by the Forestry Commission with conifers, that tended to destroy the acid rain argument.

Given the current rubbish about ocean acidification etc, I now wonder how much the rise in acidity actually was, and whether it was SO4 and/or CO2 related.

I can remember it was also Scandanavians complaining. I wonder how Thatcher (as a Chemist) thought about that in the context of discussions that led to the Miners Strike

Sep 18, 2018 at 3:42 PM | Unregistered Commentergolf charlie

yp : Ministers ignored advice on preventing deaths in heatwave.
..main quotes come from Ward ..then Mary Creagh

then pg2.6 green platitudes from regional director of CBI Beckie Hart

Sep 18, 2018 at 2:50 PM | Registered Commenterstewgreen

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