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Airbus says "we might not buy British planes"
So surely the British should reply "we might not buy EU planes"

.. and they negotiate a balance
I imagine will end up selling more planes to the US & rest of world and them buy more of our planes/trains

Both Hitachi/Siemens and Canadian Bombardier have open UK train factories.

Jun 22, 2018 at 12:32 PM | Registered Commenterstewgreen

More conflict between changing conflictions of interest about Airbus.

https://order-order.com/2018/06/22/set-to-doing-a-lot-of-heavy-lifting-in-times-airbus-splash/

Jun 22, 2018 at 11:55 AM | Unregistered Commentergolf charlie

Jun 22, 2018 at 9:01 AM | Mark Hodgson

Jun 22, 2018 at 9:26 AM | Supertroll

So Airbus is another manufactured scare story, based on possible outcomes of a process no one understands, intended to divert attention away from the Soros EU manufactured migration crisis threatening the EU.

Martin Selmayr was Junckers stabiliser, and has emerged, unelected, as the EU's enforcer:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/mar/12/nasty-political-games-row-over-top-eu-appointment-martin-selmayr

https://www.politico.eu/article/martin-selmayr-emmanuel-macron-angela-merkel/

Meanwhile,
The timing of the Liverpool Care Pathway may have reflected a change in Government thinking that coincided with its introduction. Was Gosport the result of one Doctor playing God, or acting on the advice of a higher authority?

Jun 22, 2018 at 10:40 AM | Unregistered Commentergolf charlie

Mark. Very odd, I learned about the Airbus story from Radio 4 News this morning. What I learned might be summarized thus:
1. In the event of a no-deal Brexit
2. Airbus would reconsider its investments in the UK; and
3. This would include re-considering its long-term footprint in the UK.
As I say, odd that.

Jun 22, 2018 at 9:26 AM | Unregistered CommenterSupertroll

golf charlie, on the NHS you're definitely making me have a re-think!

Meanwhile, all is very definitely not well in the EU:

"Clash of the EU consiglieri
Migration mini summit is latest battleground for Commission’s Martin Selmayr and Council’s Piotr Serafin"

https://www.politico.eu/article/martin-selmayr-migration-summit-clash-of-the-eu-consiglieri-piotr-serafin/

None of which is reported by the pro-EU, anti-Brexit BBC. Instead their top story on their website this morning is "Airbus warns it could exit UK":

As usual, the headline is sensationalist and inaccurate in its simplicity. Click on it for the story, and the headline waters down to: "Airbus warns no-deal Brexit could see it leave UK", which is rather different, but stillnot entirely accurate:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-44570931

Having trotted out a lot of anti-Brexit quotes from the usual suspects, the meat of the article is buried well-down:

""This scenario [a no-deal Brexit] would force Airbus to reconsider its investments in the UK, and its long-term footprint in the country," it added."

So the reality behind the headline is actually subject to 3 qualifications:

1. In the event of a no-deal Brexit (which few people think is likely)
2. Airbus would reconsider its investments in the UK; and
3. This would include re-considering its long-term footprint in the UK.

None of which exactly justifies it being the BBC's top story, nor the screamingly inaccurate headline.

Jun 22, 2018 at 9:01 AM | Unregistered CommenterMark Hodgson

Meanwhile, BREXIT is going to cost lots of solar panels and windmills for Eastern Europe. This will be good for their economies.

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2018/06/21/eu-climate-hypocrites-slash-renewable-funding-ahead-of-brexit/

Jun 21, 2018 at 10:50 PM | Unregistered Commentergolf charlie

Gosport Deaths. Does the timing match?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liverpool_Care_Pathway_for_the_Dying_Patient

The  () was a UK care pathway (excluding Wales) covering palliative care options for patients in the final days or hours of life. It was developed to help doctors and nurses provide quality end-of-life care. Now discredited, the LCP was widely abused as a 'tick box exercise', with patients being casually assessed as terminal, heavily sedated, and denied water so the diagnosis became self-fulfilling. Hospitals were also provided cash incentives to achieve targets for the number of patients dying on the LCP.[1]

The Liverpool Care Pathway was developed by Royal Liverpool University Hospital and Liverpool's Marie Curie Hospice in the late 1990s for the care of terminally ill cancer patients. The LCP was then extended to include all patients deemed dying. Its inflexible application by Nursing staff of Liverpool Community Health NHS Trust was subject to scrutiny after the poor care delivered to a relative of Rosie Cooper Member of Parliament.

Jun 21, 2018 at 10:34 PM | Unregistered Commentergolf charlie

Jun 21, 2018 at 9:39 PM | Mark Hodgson

As a trouble shooter, when it comes to things going wrong, I too would look at the probability of cock-up, before considering conspiracy. The conspiracy tends to follow, as too many try to cover up the cock-up.

I appreciate that in just one hospital within the NHS, there are going to be rivalries, power struggles, jealousies amongst staff, and that complaints may be made about individuals by others, out of spite or malice.

Returning to Shipman, once again, what started as one person voicing concerns about too many coincidences, "mushroomed".

"Drugs overdose" is the recorded cause of death of many drug addicts. How often is it actually recorded as the cause of death in a hospital? Shipman got away with it for years, presumably because in the absence of "suspicious circumstances" no post mortems were carried out. So what happened in Gosport?

(not expecting you to know, just voicing my queries!)

Jun 21, 2018 at 10:12 PM | Unregistered Commentergolf charlie

golf charlie

Cock-up is usually the explanation, rather conspiracy, in my estimation. The problem with the NHS is that there are an awful lot of cock-ups (cocks-up?), and there seems to be a tendency to close ranks and cover-up, which is not conducive to trust in those cases where an "innocent" explanation may in fact be the correct one.

Jun 21, 2018 at 9:39 PM | Unregistered CommenterMark Hodgson

Jun 21, 2018 at 8:28 PM | Mark Hodgson

Hence my previous comment about incompetence or malice ie Shipman, or assisted dying. If the latter is ruled out, that leaves incompetence or malice. If a nurse had flagged up concerns, and was ignored, how prevalent was the incompetence or malice?

What was the evidence that was not found or revealed previously, that led to a different conclusion this time, and why wasn't it previously found or revealed?

Jun 21, 2018 at 9:32 PM | Unregistered Commentergolf charlie

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