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@ACK 11:43am

yes - I know all that.

When they are self evidently wrong / delusional - even the dimmest MSM bulb should be able to take a few chunks out of them for entertainment. I'm guessing that would be construed as right wing hate crime or somesuch....

It strikes me that there are more Jehovah's Witnesses than print Guardian readers in the UK. The comparisons do not end there ....

Aug 22, 2016 at 1:02 PM | Registered Commentertomo

Have been involved in a discussion on YouTube, and was sent to this site: http://data.nodc.noaa.gov/woa/PUBLICATIONS/grlheat12.pdf Apart from the presumptions and dodgy science used, I looked at the units of the graph: 10^22J.

Please correct me if I am wrong, but I converted this to Celsius, assuming the total oceanic content to be 1.3 billion cubic kilometres (a figure I have picked up elsewhere, but does not conflict too much with my own estimate), to arrive at 4.05050058823077°C. I took it to such ridiculous levels of decimal points (14) to see what difference 24J would make – none at all, as it happens. Like I said, please correct me if I am wrong, and show me where I made the mistake(s).

Aug 22, 2016 at 12:23 PM | Registered CommenterRadical Rodent

ACK: I am aware that many commenters - myself included - have commented on CCS in the past. My attempt at reviving this commentary was more to do with the concentrated lobbying (there is no other word for it) that the DT and AE-P have been indulging in over the Summer: 'Wind is great, we need more; Solar is cheap, we need more; and CCS will make FF power more expensive than either - so green is cheap'. That seems to sum up for me that that is where AE-P is going. And he's wrong, IMHO.

Aug 22, 2016 at 12:09 PM | Unregistered CommenterHarry Passfield

tomo. It will never ever stop. Climate science has its own incantations and holy relicts. If it gets colder it will undergo transfiguration to Global Cooling and will still be "our fault" and will have been predicted by the holy ones - climate modellers.

You can't win, you can't even get close, you're not even in the game.

Aug 22, 2016 at 11:43 AM | Unregistered CommenterACK

ACK
I agree CCS is a dead duck as well as being totally unnecessary.

In a Times article on the tender for battery storage the report says " 200 MW" of power is required. All the quotes in the article only mention power; no mention of capacity. How long is this battery supposed to deliver 200 MW of power for ? Without quoting the capacilty the article is meaning less. This illustrates how scientifically illiterate the Journalist are.

Aug 22, 2016 at 11:42 AM | Unregistered CommenterRoss Lea

Harry passfield. I have commented on this topic before here at BH and at WUWT. Introducing CO2 into the subsurface, say into depleted oil or gasfields, requires large amounts of energy to displace the water that has invaded the porosity. This energy requirement increases with time as the displacement front moves progressively away from the well and expands accordingly. There is a limit, the pressure required to frac the topseal of the original hydrocarbon accumulation. This is well known, but of equal importance is the rate at which CO2 can be introduced. Increasing the rate will cause a pressure increase that, again, must not approach the fracture pressure that will cause a breach of the topseal. So numerous injection wells are required.

I once read a calculation of the cost and the number of wells needed to dispose of the USA CO2 emissions at JunkScience. Both were "mega" as my granddaughter is wont to say.

Aug 22, 2016 at 11:24 AM | Unregistered CommenterACK

tomo +1 They never seem to be held to account for their failed prophecies.

Aug 22, 2016 at 11:19 AM | Unregistered CommenterRoss Lea

The Arctic will be ice free next year or the year after.....

I doubt I'm the only person who's profoundly fed up with this kerrapp

How many tons of garlic, swimming pools of blessed water and sharpened fence posts will it take to make it stop?

Aug 22, 2016 at 11:10 AM | Registered Commentertomo

Stewgreen. put Aspen Parkland into Wiki

Aug 22, 2016 at 10:56 AM | Unregistered CommenterACK

At the risk of dragging this thread back onto CC topic, and in the absence of comment facility at the DT, I wondered what the Bish would have to say about the latest crap article from Ambrose Evans-Pritchard on CCS. He's been a busy lad of late banging out article after article about how the Green future will actually be so very rosy.

On this particular subject (CCS) he dismisses the risks of CO2 storage (what would happen if it leaked?) with a shrug, as he does with the fact that the rosy future that it would open up to us would only mean paying slightly more than double for our electricity. In fact, his whole economic argument for Green action seems to disqualify him from future employment in the role he seems so self-satisfied about in his sign-off comment:

Thank you to those on the front-line who have sent me breath-taking material on scientific advances. You have left me more convinced than ever that humanity is about conquer this challenge. I now return to my normal job covering the world economy.
All I can say is, based on his grasp of AGW/CC and the actions he believes need to be taken, God help the 'world economy'.

Aug 22, 2016 at 10:53 AM | Unregistered CommenterHarry Passfield

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