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Barry: good – you criticise the panjandrums (and, in doing so, criticise the “survey” methodology), the people who listened to them before take notice as does the humble MSC student. A win win.

And, if Erlich takes notice, a win win win.

Jul 21, 2012 at 12:40 PM | Registered CommenterRobin Guenier

gulp ... Paul Erlich just started following me on twitter!

Jul 21, 2012 at 12:04 PM | Unregistered CommenterBarry Woods

more productive.. as in NOT that the high profile people would listen, BUT that the people that previoulsy listened to them would notice...

Jul 21, 2012 at 12:00 PM | Unregistered CommenterBarry Woods

Barry: "more productive"? Hmm ... it suspect those grand panjandrums of climate science would take no notice. However, a humble MSC student might learn something and be more careful next time.

Jul 21, 2012 at 11:05 AM | Registered CommenterRobin Guenier

Just caught the 'Listen Again' of the Bishop's piece on the Jeremy Vine show. They began with a recording of a piece by one Dr. Edward Hanna, Fellow of the RMS who is fluent in cobblerspeak such as "the atmospheric circulation patterns tend to become more blocked" and "the jetstream becomes more meanderin' " and "whilst it's hard to attribute any particlar event to cloimurt change... linked in wiv Artic sea oise."

I googled him. He's part of a 'research group' who camp out at a 'key' Greenland glacier (what do they actually DO there other than measure the thing?) at taxpayers' expense. It's interesting to follow the money trail. "research was carried out with funding support provided by the European Community's Seventh Framework Programme under grant agreement No. 262693." leads to a vast hierarchy of professional fundraising "Inter-Act" where every other word is "funding": http://www.eu-interact.org/about-interact/work-packages/

Seems to me that a whole generation of green activists have wheedled their way into academia where they learn the patter and hone their fundraising skills. Just as Eisenhower warned of the self-sustaining momentum of the 'military industrial complex', a pseudoscience-activist complex has succeeded in grabbing a chunk of the public purse. Oh for a statesman with the guts and the firepower to dismantle it.

Jul 21, 2012 at 8:50 AM | Unregistered CommenterBrent Hargreaves

Tomo
Did you see this post by the Bishop which has already answered the question of whether or not Cuadrilla was present at the fracking meeting?

http://bishophill.squarespace.com/blog/2012/5/21/cuadrilla-were-not-at-no-10-seminar.html

Jul 21, 2012 at 8:44 AM | Unregistered CommenterMessenger

Just think it would be more productive to criticise the the high profile scientist leaders that wrote to the WSJ - misusing the 97%...

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204740904577193270727472662.html

“..Research shows that more than 97% of scientists actively publishing in the field agree that climate change is real and human caused.

It would be an act of recklessness for any political leader to disregard the weight of evidence and ignore the enormous risks that climate change clearly poses.”


ie Definetley criticise these guys for misrepresenting things in the media (not some MSC student)

Kevin Trenberth, Sc.D.

Distinguished Senior Scientist

Climate Analysis Section National Center for Atmospheric Research

La Jolla, Calif.

Kevin Trenberth, Sc.D, Distinguished Senior Scientist, Climate Analysis Section, National Center for Atmospheric Research

Richard Somerville, Ph.D., Distinguished Professor, Scripps Institution of Oceanography, University of California, San Diego

Katharine Hayhoe, Ph.D., Director, Climate Science Center, Texas Tech University

Rasmus Benestad, Ph.D., Senior Scientist, The Norwegian Meteorological Institute

Gerald Meehl, Ph.D., Senior Scientist, Climate and Global Dynamics Division, National Center for Atmospheric Research

Michael Oppenheimer, Ph.D., Professor of Geosciences; Director, Program in Science, Technology and Environmental Policy, Princeton University

Peter Gleick, Ph.D., co-founder and president, Pacific Institute for Studies in Development, Environment, and Security

Michael C. MacCracken, Ph.D., Chief Scientist, Climate Institute, Washington

Michael Mann, Ph.D., Director, Earth System Science Center, Pennsylvania State University

Steven Running, Ph.D., Professor, Director, Numerical Terradynamic Simulation Group, University of Montana

Robert Corell, Ph.D., Chair, Arctic Climate Impact Assessment; Principal, Global Environment Technology Foundation

Dennis Ojima, Ph.D., Professor, Senior Research Scientist, and Head of the Dept. of Interior's Climate Science Center at Colorado State University

Josh Willis, Ph.D., Climate Scientist, NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory

Matthew England, Ph.D., Professor, Joint Director of the Climate Change Research Centre, University of New South Wales, Australia

Ken Caldeira, Ph.D., Atmospheric Scientist, Dept. of Global Ecology, Carnegie Institution

Warren Washington, Ph.D., Senior Scientist, National Center for Atmospheric Research

Terry L. Root, Ph.D., Senior Fellow, Woods Institute for the Environment, Stanford University

David Karoly, Ph.D., ARC Federation Fellow and Professor, University of Melbourne, Australia

Jeffrey Kiehl, Ph.D., Senior Scientist, Climate and Global Dynamics Division, National Center for Atmospheric Research

Donald Wuebbles, Ph.D., Professor of Atmospheric Sciences, University of Illinois

Camille Parmesan, Ph.D., Professor of Biology, University of Texas; Professor of Global Change Biology, Marine Institute, University of Plymouth, UK

Simon Donner, Ph.D., Assistant Professor, Department of Geography, University of British Columbia, Canada

Barrett N. Rock, Ph.D., Professor, Complex Systems Research Center and Department of Natural Resources, University of New Hampshire

David Griggs, Ph.D., Professor and Director, Monash Sustainability Institute, Monash University, Australia

Roger N. Jones, Ph.D., Professor, Professorial Research Fellow, Centre for Strategic Economic Studies, Victoria University, Australia

William L. Chameides, Ph.D., Dean and Professor, School of the Environment, Duke University

Gary Yohe, Ph.D., Professor, Economics and Environmental Studies, Wesleyan University, CT

Robert Watson, Ph.D., Chief Scientific Advisor to the UK Department of Environment, Food and Rural Affairs; Chair of Environmental Sciences, University of East Anglia

Steven Sherwood, Ph.D., Director, Climate Change Research Centre, University of New South Wales, Sydney, Australia

Chris Rapley, Ph.D., Professor of Climate Science, University College London, UK

Joan Kleypas, Ph.D., Scientist, Climate and Global Dynamics Division, National Center for Atmospheric Research

James J. McCarthy, Ph.D., Professor of Biological Oceanography, Harvard University

Stefan Rahmstorf, Ph.D., Professor of Physics of the Oceans, Potsdam University, Germany

Julia Cole, Ph.D., Professor, Geosciences and Atmospheric Sciences, University of Arizona

William H. Schlesinger, Ph.D., President, Cary Institute of Ecosystem Studies

Jonathan Overpeck, Ph.D., Professor of Geosciences and Atmospheric Sciences, University of Arizona

Eric Rignot, Ph.D., Senior Research Scientist, NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory; Professor of Earth System Science, University of California, Irvine

Wolfgang Cramer, Professor of Global Ecology, Mediterranean Institute for Biodiversity and Ecology, CNRS, Aix-en-Provence, France

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/07/18/what-else-did-the-97-of-scientists-say/

Jul 21, 2012 at 8:31 AM | Unregistered CommenterBarry Woods

Barry: it seemed to me that your comment that we should "NOT" criticise Doran etc. would mean that it would be best if we did not point out that their "survey" (with its hopelessly inadequate sample size and demographic and carelessly drafted questions) was completely unprofessional. Maybe that was a misunderstanding.

Jul 21, 2012 at 8:05 AM | Registered CommenterRobin Guenier

Hilary I was making a joke about it.
Anyway,if anybody upset Peter more,it was probably Tamsin's criticism not mine.

Jul 21, 2012 at 7:38 AM | Unregistered CommenterBarry Woods

Freedom of Information - and that meeting of ahem... experts at Downing Street on fracking.

Autonomous Mind has a justifiable cob on...

Talk about gutless creeps playing out their own agenda - in this case disclosure is plainly in the public interest and the refusal to even talk a little about it points to a worryingly closed mindset - doubtless cultivated by Cameron's gweenie cronies...

Cameron's Notting Hill house windmill farce should inform everybody's evaluation of the man.

Frack Off indeed

Jul 21, 2012 at 6:41 AM | Registered Commentertomo

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