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Thanks for heads up there LC, the Daily Mail sure don't disappoint when it comes to manufacturing stories. I agree - Wow! - The two equal width graphs showing a hundred years versus the leveling off over the last 10 years, each also with diff range of temp, will become a legend I think in pictorial legerdemain ;)

I doubt Judith Curry will be happy with the spin on her words there, I think this will provoke some responses!

Oct 30, 2011 at 8:39 AM | Unregistered CommenterThe Leopard In The Basement

For the statistically minded, Steve McIntyre has been downloading the BEST data. He and several other statistically-minded readers are grinding away on the numbers. There are currently 4 threads at Climate Audit addressing various aspects of the data and the BEST papers' data and statistical methodologies. I didn't take enough statistics to be able to follow the details but the writing is generally clear enough that one can grasp the essentials.

http://climateaudit.org/

Oct 30, 2011 at 6:27 AM | Unregistered CommenterRayG

Judy Curry in today's Mail on Sunday:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2055191/Scientists-said-climate-change-sceptics-proved-wrong-accused-hiding-truth-colleague.html

Wow! This could get good.

Oct 30, 2011 at 3:03 AM | Unregistered CommenterLC

http://whiterabbitexpress.com/polar-ice-by-atsuhiro-hayashi-3/

Looking for a GW Christmas present?. Try this one- or perhaps don't bother.

H/T Tom Nelson

Oct 29, 2011 at 8:37 PM | Unregistered CommenterMessenger

Arthur, can let you off on that one but I was hoping that unthreaded was unzedded ;)

Oct 29, 2011 at 7:02 PM | Unregistered Commenterbreath of fresh air

On Ice core CO2 data historically laging temps: for Z

The BBC's Roger Harrabin received some abuse from the Gorical for pointing that out.....

Roger Harrabin:

"....but when I first watched Al Gore's An Inconvenient Truth I felt a flutter of unease. "

".... On the remaining point - Mr Gore's implication that ice core records prove that CO2 rises drove shifts in Ice Ages - the judge is spot on.

The vice-president cleverly lures the viewer into making the calculation that CO2 drove historical climate change by presenting graphs and asking the audience if they fit.

The movie is product of a political debate - as is the court case

Well, the graphs do fit - but what Mr Gore fails to mention in the film is that mainstream scientists believe that historically the temperature shifted due to our changing relationship with the Sun, with warmer climes unlocking CO2 from the oceans, which amplified global temperature rise.

I challenged Mr Gore about this in an interview for the BBC's Newsnight programme in March..... "

"......And after the interview he and his assistant stood over me shouting that my questions had been scurrilous, and implying that I was some sort of climate-sceptic traitor."

Oct 29, 2011 at 2:37 PM | Unregistered CommenterBarry Woods

I was fascinated by this posting over at WUWT.
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2011/10/29/the-unknown-unknowns-of-global-warming/#more-50177
More hypothesising that the fixed obsession in some quarters with CO2 is not necessarily correct.

Oct 29, 2011 at 2:09 PM | Unregistered CommenterMike Jackson

Australian climate scientists are waving their arms so wildly that they must in space

http://www.crikey.com.au/2011/10/28/climate-scientists-slam-george-pells-utter-rubbish-claims/

This is Cardinal Pell versus the Australian climate establishment (those directly, immediately, and completely responsible for the carbon tax)

It is pathetic when a priest sounds more scientific than a bunch of religious scientistians.

Oct 29, 2011 at 1:48 PM | Unregistered CommenterShub

"Let me guess, the graph would have showed the CO2 changes lagging the Temp changes by 800 odd years perchance ;)"
Oct 28, 2011 at 1:32 PM | breath of fresh

My god. You're actually outright denying basic physics. Not only that, but your imbecelic comment has been there for nearly a day without anyone decrying it. From that, I can only assume that other readers of this blog also deny basic physics, or are so disingenuous that they don't mind being associated with people who do.

Oct 29, 2011 at 7:49 AM | ZedsDeadBed

I know, I know DNFTT but this is such a hysterically funny comment, Does she really not know that in the ice core data the CO2 really does lag the temperature by several centuries? Good gracious even Al Gore's film showed that

Oct 29, 2011 at 1:39 PM | Unregistered CommenterArthur Dent

thanks leopard. seems a hint is enough basis for mass hysteria. RC have some gall saying the first 800 years don't matter.

Oct 29, 2011 at 9:47 AM | Unregistered Commenterbreath of fresh air

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