Unthreaded
Wow the SCMP has photo and the reporter doesn't exactly write Guardian-style
At best the two wind farms might produce about 1.5 per cent of Hong Kong's total electricity production, and reduce its output of carbon dioxide by about 2 per cent. This miniscule contribution comes at a cost of HK$10 billion. Regardless of how useless these wind farms are, the government can point to them as its contribution to reducing Hong Kong's carbon footprint and take its place in the world's effort to limit the production of carbon dioxide, and thereby global warming, or so they would have us believe.and then he quoted someone ridiculing the project
stewgreen
Kommentmachtfrei is excelling itself.
There are 938 comments on John Ashton’s article in the Guardian calling for censorship of sceptics. The second one, which gets an astonishing 420 recommends, says:
“No-one's frightened of dissenting voices..”
It’s a reply to the first comment, which has been removed by the moderators.
geoffchambers
Ross Lea (Oct 2, 2013 at 12:02 PM)
Yes, we’re probably all banned from CiF, though some of us may be there under assumed names. (I was SisterZoot for a while, then SisterDingo, then GeofftheChaste. I can’t think how they spotted me).
You can tell by the drop in quality of the discussion, and the fact that sceptic comments no longer get 5 times as many “recommends” as warmists.
geoffchambers
Robin Guenier,
Thanks for the link to Judith Curry's article. The chart showing actual temperatures of the model runs is fascinating. If the model runs can be 1-2 degrees C hotter or colder than observations and this is obscured by re-framing the output as an anomaly I cannot see how can they ever be said to hindcast accurately.
The processes being modeled are surely temperature dependent. If the temperature is not right the processes shouldn't be progressing right either, yet the models can still apparently ape the observation record.(Which version of the observation record is another question...)
Gareth
Somehow in the light of the Balcombe protests and the howling from C Lucas & co, this news story gave rise to many emotions in me - http://news.yahoo.com/greenpeace-crew-shock-russian-jails-111632682.html
I think I finally finally understand the true meaning of the german word Schadenfreude
FrancisT
Judith Curry has published another excellent article this morning, destroying Nuccitelli's "global warming projections have done much better than you think" claim. As she says:
What is wrong is the failure of the IPCC to note the failure of nearly all climate model simulations to reproduce a pause of 15+ years.Here's her favourite diagram (by Ed Hawkins) - showing the growing discrepancy between models and observations over the last decade. And I liked her reference to the Texas sharpshooter fallacy.
Robin Guenier
yep - after 4 yrs commenting at CIF - I am no longer able to comment - comments disabled for my account (bbcbias),
no explanation why, despite James Randerson promising to look into it (via twitter, and emails to mods), I only found out because I was unable to 'agree with him, on one of his own articles!
https://id.theguardian.com/profile/bbcbias/public
Barry Woods
Stuck-Record
Looking at the comments after the Guardian item you mentioned I was supprised not to see any names I recognise. Are you all Banned ?
Ross Lea
David C
A lot of sense in that South China Morning Post article, including this statement from one Ng Young, the chairman of Hong Kong's Association for Geoconservation:
..the wind farms are unsightly and kill birds, and are an unreliable source of energy. He makes the point that the Shanwei wind farm operates at an average of 17 per cent to 18 per cent efficiency: "The government is silly to support this project - building this white elephant just for the sake of appearing to do something green, when in fact it is damaging the environment, and costing the community a lot of money in terms of higher fuel bills and higher costs to business. The only beneficiaries are the power companies."
jamesp
I found this shorter (about 15 min.) and I think more up to date video summerising the work of Jasper Kirkby on the CLOUD project at CERN
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uYXy339sYyM