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Matthu

Thanks for that, the context definitely helps!!

Jul 4, 2012 at 8:33 PM | Registered CommenterSkiphil

Roger
I am not in physics (or any science field) but I have seen a lot to suggest that the CERN teams are immensely thorough, rigorous, and conscientious in ways that (some of) the climatologists cannot even begin to fathom. Anyway, my understanding is that there was a very demanding kind of "peer review" before this announcement... these twin CERN teams are operating with many levels of caution and review. Don't know if you've seen the first WUWT thread on the topic but there are some detailed comments from a couple of (apparent) particle physicists which at least try to address some remarks similar to yours:

first WUWT thread on CERN announcement

(you might look for another Roger and also Stephen toward the end of the thread if you don't want to read the whole thread)

Jul 4, 2012 at 8:31 PM | Registered CommenterSkiphil

Roger:

It's nearly always wise to be sceptical. But there's a vast difference between climate "scientists" and particle physicists. The former believe that, because their computer models appear to validate their hypothesis, there's no need for empirical evidence. Likewise, the latter have models indicating that the Higgs bosun must exist. But that's not enough: at massive expense, they set up an experiment to determine whether or not the empirical evidence supports the hypothesis.

Jul 4, 2012 at 8:17 PM | Registered CommenterRobin Guenier

Skiphil - re. the final nail in the coffin

Actually, it was not I who gave that statement the honour of being the final nail. I was actually responding to someone (who shall remain nameless and whose post has since been removed) who described it as such - but the final nail in the coffin of the "deniers" if you will.

I hope that provides sufficient context ...?

Jul 4, 2012 at 8:16 PM | Registered Commentermatthu

Interesting contrasting papers quoted today by Anthony Watts and by P Gosselin – NoTricksZone.
Gosselin showing a paper predicting a new solar maximum in 2013 and Watts showing two sources stating that the cycles have actually shut down altogether ---> solar minimum soon ^.^

Jul 4, 2012 at 8:03 PM | Unregistered CommenterDung

Is anybody else sceptical about the Higgs Boson discovery announced by CERN?

When I first encountered CAGW I was sceptical - I later became a hard-line "denier".

When I heard about CERN's announcement of superluminal neutrinos I intuitively knew it was nonsense. Once bitten, twice shy.

I have never liked the standard model - I find other alternatives much more plausible (eg. MOND).

I am probably just a grumpy old man, but I have come to distrust this meeja science.

Jul 4, 2012 at 7:50 PM | Unregistered CommenterRoger Longstaff

“Milton Keynes Council faces legal fees threat over wind turbine ruling”

“A PEOPLE power policy to protect residents from the noise of wind turbines could end up costing Milton Keynes Council hundreds of thousands of pounds in legal fees.

For energy giants RWE npower are this week threatening to sue the council over its minimum distance ruling.

Milton Keynes is one of the first councils in the country to impose a ban on massive turbines being built less than 1.2 kilometres away from housing.”

RWE bosses, who want to put 17 wind turbines on two different local sites, claim the ban is unlawful and contrary to the Government’s national policy to produce green energy whenever possible.

The company’s lawyers have written to the council saying the 1.2 kilometre rule has ‘no rational basis’ and should be ‘accorded no weight’.

In a barely veiled threat, they state the council would risk a ‘considerable burden to the public purse’ in legal fees if it did not take back its decision.

The letter has infuriated city MP Mark Lancaster, who voted in favour of the Localism Act because it empowered local authorities to make their own decisions.

“I am deeply concerned and opposed to a large multinational business trying to undermine the wishes of residents by threatening the council with legal action.””

http://www.miltonkeynes.co.uk/news/local/milton-keynes-council-faces-legal-fees-threat-over-wind-turbine-ruling-1-4014721

Jul 4, 2012 at 7:18 PM | Registered CommenterGreen Sand

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/us-politics/9376229/US-politician-accidentally-legalises-fracking.html

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Jul 4, 2012 at 7:05 PM | Unregistered CommenterStuck-record

Interesting - I thought Fenton was the out-of-control labrador in this video. Mind you ...

Jul 4, 2012 at 4:19 PM | Registered CommenterRobin Guenier

Matthu

Thanks for that fascinating statement from ExxonMobil's CEO..... but don't you know we are all evil tools of big fossil fuel plutocrats if we believe a word of it??

I'm not confident (yet) about such finality as you express, I think the CAGW religion is deeply entrenched and is going to be morphed into this "sustainability" religion of Rio-20 which is just the larger context.

I did also find it most interesting that a questioner at the CFR event identified himself as "David Fenton" before launching into the CAGW spiel (a toned down version for someone like Fenton, who is the radical propaganda guru for much CAGW nonsense in North America):

David Fenton at Council on Foreign Relations event



QUESTIONER: Hi, I'm David Fenton (ph).

Mr. Tillerson, I want to talk about science and risk, and I agree with you that's the way we must proceed. So, as you know, it's a basic fact of physics that CO2 traps heat, and too much CO2 will mean it will get too hot, and we will face enormous risks as a result of this not only to our way of life, but to the world economy. It will be devastating: The seas will rise, the coastlines will be unstable for generations, the price of food will go crazy. This is what we face, and we all know it.

Now -- so my question for you is since we all know this knowledge, we're a little in denial of it. You know, if we burn all these reserves you've talked about, you can kiss future generations good-bye. And maybe we'll find a solution to take it out of the air. But, as you know, we don't have one. So what are you going to do about this? We need your help to do something about this.

Jul 4, 2012 at 3:51 PM | Registered CommenterSkiphil

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