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May 31, 2018 at 9:15 PM | tomo

Agreed.

I was at University during the Miner's Strike. I learned that Politicians will do and say whatever necessary to keep their own job, and career prospects.

Karl Marx didn't change anything, because the antics, including self centred and self righteous behaviour of the extreme Left and Right were hard to distinguish, then, now and before. They do tend to have a different dress sense and costume department though. They were most vicious towards those they decided had deserted their cause.

Student Union Politics was all about "National Issues" and rehearsing for constituency selection, so even the moderates ignored the actual issues of concern to the students they claimed to represent.

Not much has changed.

May 31, 2018 at 10:37 PM | Unregistered Commentergolf charlie

Supertroll

I too was on the streets in the late 70s - I still take exception to uniformed old school fascists / actual "Nazis". One thing I learned from several years contact with the far left was that they were for the most part as odious and unhinged as the opposition.

Yaxley-Lennon's rabble rousing is cack handed and a bit overwrought - but - and I've come across proper totalitarian fascists - I don't buy the entire MSM/establishment back story for him. There are a number of lefty rabble rousing organisers who should've had their collars felt and they've been - if anything, cultivated and manipulated by the authorities.

Divide and rule - or something.

May 31, 2018 at 9:15 PM | Registered Commentertomo
May 31, 2018 at 8:52 PM | Registered Commentertomo

May 31, 2018 at 6:04 PM | Supertroll

I think Lewandowsky has enough material for an EU funded Paper blaming Tommy Robinson for all those dissatisfied with the EU, whether they live in the EU or not.

Labour, devoid of Jewish support, are celebrating the Conservatives concern about Islamophobia. The Liberals don't want anything to do with hating anybody, but don't understand why nobody knows what there is to like about them. No one knows the identity of anyone who may lead UKIP this week, and the Greens can't work out a sustainable way of keeping wholemeal lentil sandwiches fresh without plastic, but at least the BBC will give them a free advert.

A week really is a long time in politics, when everything is so dull and boring.

England's Test Match Cricketers provide a comedy moment or two. Perhaps they will blame bl••dy foreigners for beating them at their own game, on their own soil?

May 31, 2018 at 8:34 PM | Unregistered Commentergolf charlie

That's what I care about, not the views of some hair-splitting barrister or the slightly snobby TR is thick crowd.

May 31, 2018 at 4:50 PM | Rhoda Klapp

I care about those that have given evidence in Court. Some of them have been ignored and forgotten about for years. Hopefully they have been taken seriously, won't have to repeat themselves, and can try and move on with their damaged lives.

The only hair splitting has come from those clutching at straws trying to defend TR's stupidity. He, and others here and elsewhere, thought he was immune from committing "Contempt of Court" if he was outside Court property when he broadcast.

His geographical location was irrelevant, but it certainly saved Police overtime in looking for him.

Local Council Tax payers can be grateful for the diligence he demonstrated, by checking with Officers first.

This also confirms that he chose to ignore some bits of the Law, specific to HIM, concerning Contempt of Court, whilst respecting /observing other bits.

He is in prison because of his own reckless stupidity. I don't believe he has a low IQ.

May 31, 2018 at 7:54 PM | Unregistered Commentergolf charlie

I know nothing of TR, but I do the political party for which he stands and its predecessor (which I fought long ago in East London as an undergraduate). And my inclinations are, on principle, to oppose. IF the official reaction has been to suppress him, this needn't be to cover up a problem of Islam in the UK and, need not be a bad thing, merely the prevention of deliberate mischief being done by a known rabble-rouser. There may be a time and space for rabble rousing, but outside a courthouse, before the trial is fully concluded seems hardly appropriate (if I read these "facts" correctly).

May 31, 2018 at 6:04 PM | Unregistered CommenterSupertroll

TinyCO2's flawless people of integrity and clean record are notably absent. Their heads remain below the parapet. Brave or foolhardy, villain or angel, TR at least speaks up about the problems. He is not silenced by the things which might silence me or you. The official reaction, to suppress him and cover up the problem of Islam in the UK, is not a good thing. We should not wait for the flawless people. They are not in evidence. The MSM too is silent on the freedom aspects, the incipient fascism of what is going on. That's what I care about, not the views of some hair-splitting barrister or the slightly snobby TR is thick crowd.

May 31, 2018 at 4:50 PM | Unregistered CommenterRhoda Klapp

Whether such people exist is another thing and if they do would they be fundamentally odd like JRM? Can odd people reach the top?

May 31, 2018 at 2:16 PM | TinyCO2

Winston Churchill was seen by many as an oddball liability over 2-3 decades. Then he became Prime Minister due to conflict with Europe, that others thought they had appeased. He successfully resolved the immediate conflict and was then dumped by the UK Electorate.

Other than "BREXIT means BREXIT" (whether hard boiled, soft boiled or half baked) it is difficult to know what May wants, as there are so many forces trying to undermine BREXIT, many at the expense of Taxpayers, and some even being paid to facilitate BREXIT.

Should May go, JRM would be an ideal replacement. He has an "Action This Day" attitude, but this would not guarantee him a majority in the House of Commons. May currently has to rely on appeasement.

May 31, 2018 at 3:21 PM | Unregistered Commentergolf charlie

My two pennorth. Firstly, regardless of the severity of the offense, the judiciary are really harsh on cases of contempt of court. They will give far harder sentences than for many crimes most of us would deem worse.

Next, we don't know how risky his behaviour was in that this case might have had to have a retrial (or worse being dropped). but lawyers for the defendants would and will try anything.

For a revolution to see an end to political correctness, crime blindness by the authorities and mass immigration it needs extraordinary people and TR isn't one of them. It needs people of high intellect who see these problems the way we do but are able to control what they say at all times. Those people need to have spotless records and have no desire to chat with people over a pint or two. They need to have no stinky messages lurking somewhere on the internet, especially social media sites. They then need to devise ways of presenting a better future without triggering the 'racist!' button. So instead of talking about immigration they should talk about social pressures of over crowding, the stress on services, the disincentivisation of social cohesion, ghettoisation, etc. They would have a good excuse to talk about the things that are leading young black men into crime because they are the same things affecting young white men. Tommy Robbinson isn't the person to lead such a change. All he does is convince those who might be swayed that anyone tackling these issues is like him.

Whether such people exist is another thing and if they do would they be fundamentally odd like JRM? Can odd people reach the top?

May 31, 2018 at 2:16 PM | Unregistered CommenterTinyCO2

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May 31, 2018 at 12:05 AM | Pcar

Can you confirm how many Police Officers should have turned up to arrest Tommy Robinson, a man with a history of violence? Do you know whether any of his supporters present during his live broadcast and subsequent arrest, were also known to the Police?

To his credit, Tommy Robinson did not resist arrest. The Police had turned up in sufficient and proportionate numbers. No one else was arrested for "Breach of the Police"

Tommy Robinson's Wikipedia entry has been updated. His personal experience of the UK Legal system does suggest that he ignored legal advice.


Nigel Farage has provided his opinion:

Now a ban on reporting Robinson’s sentence has been lifted, Nigel gave his take and admitted his view may surprise some people.

“Frankly the judge had almost no choice but to give him a jail sentence,” Nigel said.

“I think Robinson, frankly, was out there asking for trouble and I don’t think it was a very bright thing do.”

Nigel did, however, say he felt there was a wider issue with police clamping down on people who “make certain criticisms in society”.

But he finished: “His imprisonment in this case is not heroic, in any way at all - and that of course will surprise some of you.”

But now, the predictable gloating has started, this from Owen Jones at The Guardian:
"I am heavily restricted in what I can write about Yaxley-Lennon. That’s because I too could be in contempt of court for fatally undermining the right of people to a fair trial. Yaxley-Lennon already had a suspended sentence for this offence, and was warned he would go to jail if his behaviour again risked the collapse of a trial. He is no martyr to freedom of speech, just a career criminal with a history of mortgage fraud, football hooliganism and assault whose craving for publicity put a critical court case at risk."

I do not normally find myself in agreement with Owen Jones in The Guardian AND Nigel Farage about a single issue.


Time to move on? Or do you want to correct Wikipedia, Nigel Farage and Owen Jones, plus the UK Legal system?

May 31, 2018 at 1:39 PM | Unregistered Commentergolf charlie

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