Unthreaded
Migrants only need to work here for 10 years and they are entitled to half a pension - one that would make them well off in their own countries. Due to our terrible systems, I bet people are applying for more than one NI number and thus potentially earning a full pension after only 20 years or less depending upon how often they are 'looking for a job' and having their pension contributions paid for them. Up to now they could apply for an EU UK medical card and get free treatment in their own country (if it wasn't already free). Add that up for their families, who are also entitled to child benefits and free treatment. Up to now they have been entitled to loans to study, with almost no chance of those loans being collected if they don't earn enough or go home.
The claim is that these people want to work and so worthwhile. All those baristas are sooo important? How many jobs are created simply because the people are cheap for the employers? Cheap because they are subsidised by in work benefits, social housing, etc, etc.How many homeless migrants jump to the front of the housing queue? And having done that, at some point can buy that property on the cheap? British kids can't get a council home because they aren't technically homeless. If they turned up in London (where the good money is) asking for a home, they'd be sent home for intentionally making themselves homeless. It doesn't matter how eager they are, they're disadvantaged because they aren't as destitute as the newcomers.
Linking crime and poverty is an enabling attitude. Most of the criminals are not poor by global or historical standards. And sorry, migrants first or second or even third generation ARE disproportionatly represented among the criminals. We can't tell by how much, because the authorities keep very quiet about it. They know that even telling the truth would be inflamatory.

Whinging Spongers we don't need or want, but pay for
Asylum seekers who have survived torture in their home countries are being forced to live in filthy, vermin-ridden, damp properties, an official report suggests.
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There were also long delays in getting repairs done. One new mother had to wait a month for someone to assemble a cot for her new baby, while others waited two weeks for a light bulb to be changed.
Forced? Really? They are free to leave if they don't like it - they've obviously proved they can do that.
Assemble your cot yourself you lazy cow. Change your own damned lightbulbs.
Where's JuliaM's tiny violin?

Good article
Where were the Brexit [style] no deal warnings during the Scottish independence debate?
...Curiously, those same ‘experts’ didn’t flag up such purported risks associated with Scotland leaving the EU and the UK without a deal four years ago; and Scottish independence would have inevitably been a no-deal exit from both.The EU, and for that matter the rest of the UK, could not have negotiated any kind of trade arrangement with Scotland until it became a sovereign state – that is, until it was already out of the UK and thus out of the EU.
Yet no one suggested, as they now suggest about Brexit, that ‘no deal’ would mean the imposition of a blockade. Not even the most ardent unionists warned of plagues of super-gonorrhea and of Prime Ministers being deprived of insulin.
Why not? The answer says a lot about the true nature of the EU and its attitudes to Britain, which are very different from English attitudes to Scotland
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So either no deal holds no terrors, or terrors have to be confronted, as we once confronted Napoleon. Defending our independence, and by extension that of every European people, from an historically vengeful European Empire is worth more than a container-load of Brie.

Immigration
The economic objections to immigration seem to be based on several differences between modern immigration and that since before the welfare state and jet engines. Those arguments are reasonable but sometimes contradictory. Most refugees could have gone home at some point. (Not Huguenots but those from less tyrannical countries, like Uganda for instance).
I think we can all agree that young workers with the drive to cross borders for work and no dependents are good for the economy - at that moment. On average. (No-one needs a thug regardless of where they are born).
Is it true that sending money home is bad for the economy? If the worker is contributing less to their employer than their wages then they are made redundant. So they are still a benefit. Of course, it would be preferable if a native employee took the wages and circulated that money in the UK. But, let’s be honest here, the native workers aren’t out-competing the migrants; the migrants are out-competing the Brits. And that’s not the migrants’ fault. They are all on minimum wage so they aren’t under-cutting. It’s that the British bottom-of-the-barrel aren’t as good as the migrants who are committed enough to come here. That won’t change without the migrants.
Is it true that some young migrant workers are effectively commuters who will leave with their wages and learnt skills? Yes. In my experience, not true of many as the schools here are good and teach English well. But if they do commute home again then they are not draining our public services. So that’s even better.
The rate of immigration needs to be controlled so as facilities can expand to meet demand. It doesn’t matter if the economy as a whole grows faster because of immigration if the facilities don’t grow to match. Everything gets worse. But that mean the rate of immigration must be known. I am not arguing for unconstrained immigration. But I am arguing for immigration as a good thing.
More people do not work in the NHS than do. So the fact that more immigrants do not work in the NHS than do is not surprising. The fact is that many industries and public service’s need hard-working people form the lower end of the skills and thus wages sector. Without immigrants could we force our natives to work for their benefits. But we are trying to do that anyway. It won’t help.
Crime and immigrants. Is also Crime and the poor. It’s always those least socialized who risk more rule-breaking. With a few exceptions I don’t think immigration is the problem here.
The few exceptions relate to what has been referred to as integration. Communities that do not adopt our ways. Whether that is in carrying knives, multiple wives or putting “honour” before lives. That is a problem. And it is a problem highlighted by immigration. But it is a problem that has half its roots in the collapse of belief in British culture. We ought to be able to say what is right and what is wrong without having to concede that there are many different forms of virtue. There really aren’t.
Immigration introduces multii-cultutalism that hides the decline in our own culture – especially in big cities. But the problem is more with us than them. We should be firmer in our way of life.
Finally, different cultures can enrich society. So long as we share them and don’t defer to them. We took the pizzas without the mafias. That worked.

I think Dylan Thomas was prescient:
Do not go gentle into that good night,
Old age should burn and rave at close of day;
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.
Though wise men at their end know dark is right,
Because their words had forked no lightning they
Do not go gentle into that good night.
Good men, the last wave by, crying how bright
Their frail deeds might have danced in a green bay,
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.
Wild men who caught and sang the sun in flight,
And learn, too late, they grieved it on its way,
Do not go gentle into that good night.
Grave men, near death, who see with blinding sight
Blind eyes could blaze like meteors and be gay,
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.
And you, my father, there on the sad height,
Curse, bless, me now with your fierce tears, I pray.
Do not go gentle into that good night.
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

@Harry
The object of the game is to raise prices.
The less effective the measure the more it is a success !!!!
Try to grasp the sisyphean nature of it all.
Start by reading Belloc's Servile State .
Social creditors call these activities to destroy mythical monsters Industrial sabotage.
However the dragon we are feeding in London is very real.

Anyone care to look at the latest Danish metrological institute sea ice maps around Greenland.
Much more pack ice in the Baffin Sea (18 Nov 2018) Vs 19 Nov 2017.
Solid ice also further down the east coast.
I am completely bought on the solar influence now .
The thermal inertia of the seas especially plays a complex part and positive and negative feedback albedo loops as a result of snow cover but the entire thingie is not as complex as some assume.
Ultimately the surface temperture is a consequence of the solar flux and atmospheric pressure ( see Ned Nickolov)
Over geological time scales the current location of Antarctica and polar sea is also a big influence but not even the worst industrial sabotage usurer will propose a giant tugboat construction project so as to move the southern continent.....

The Trinity Mirror owned Daily Express is \\ massively behind Theresa the Appeaser.
They refer to the honourable Jacob Rees Mogg and his supporters as “a motley crew.” //

BBC1 S*d democracy : one seat at the Climate talks should be reserved for one of our metro-liberal overlords
David Attenborough takes the 'people's seat' at climate change talks in Poland
.. "to represent the hundreds of millions of people are around the world whose lives are about to be affected by climate change."//
No special People's Seat for the billions of PEOPLE that pay for the extra costs of Global Warming Alarmism.

@M Courtney
And people say I talk rubbish...
Peasants in the middle ages could afford to be lazy because there was enough.
On a plantation there is never enough .