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stewgreen, that's very interesting. Compare and contrast with the BBC's reporting about fracking in Lancashire for evil fossil fuels.

First of all, it's tucked away on the Cornwall page, not front page news. Not even on their science and environment page.

Second, note the almost joyful nature of the reporting (with an added pro-EU hint for anyone looking):

"Drilling work is beginning at what may become the first deep geothermal power plant in the UK.

Two wells will be drilled 2.8 miles (4.5km) and 1.5 miles (2.5km) into granite near Redruth, Cornwall where the temperature is up to 200C.

Cold water will be pumped down to the hot rocks and then brought as heated water to the surface.

[No mention that is akin to the evil fracking].

Steam from the heated water will drive turbines producing electricity, perhaps enough for 3,000 homes.

["perhaps"?!!!]

It is thought that the 2.8 mile deep hole, which will take seven months to finish, will be the deepest ever drilled in the UK.

The heat-producing properties of the granite rocks under Cornwall mean the county is an obvious choice to exploit geothermal energy, say engineers behind the project.

[Deepest ever drilled and fracking, but it's "an obvious choice"].

Energy firm Geothermal Engineering [Geothermal, such a nice name, much better than something with gas or oil in the name] says the key issues will be whether the rocks are permeable enough to get the water through and enough heated water can be extracted to drive the turbines. [Yes, that's quite a "key" issue, but no need to make a big thing out of it].

The Eden Project near St Austell and the Jubilee Pool lido in Penzance are also currently undertaking similar projects.

The £18m project has received £10.6m from the European Regional Development Fund, £2.4m from Cornwall Council and £5m from private investors. [Isn't the EU helpful? No mention that this is such a speculative project that over 2/3 of the money has come from the taxpayer and less than 1/3 from private investors, unlike the situation in Lancashire].

Geothermal Engineering claims geothermal power could deliver "up to 20%" of the UK's electricity and heat energy needs "in a reliable and sustainable way". ["claims", "could" and "up to" - weasel words. The claim is made by the outfit hoping to profit - no independent analysis of whether the claim is justified or not. No discussion of whether this sort of fracking is reliable and sustainable - apparently it isn't in Lancashire?]

Managing director Dr Ryan Law said: "It is incredibly exciting to see this pioneering project getting off the ground in what we hope will be the start of many similar initiatives across the UK.""

[No rent-a-quote sought to question whether it's a good idea. Funny that Greenpeace, Friends of the Earth etc aren't on speed dial on this story to denounce the evils of fracking].

I think I can just about guarantee that if they'd been looking for oil or gas, instead of heat, this story would have been front page news and written in an aggressive rather than supportive way.

Nov 6, 2018 at 8:29 AM | Unregistered CommenterForager

Not Eden Project, but nearby
"Drilling work is beginning at what may become the first deep geothermal power plant in the UK.

Two wells will be drilled 2.8 miles (4.5km) and 1.5 miles (2.5km) into granite near Redruth, Cornwall where the temperature is up to 200C."
"Energy firm Geothermal Engineering says the key issues will be whether the rocks are permeable enough to get the water through and enough heated water can be extracted to drive the turbines.

The Eden Project near St Austell and the Jubilee Pool lido in Penzance are also currently undertaking similar projects."
BBC

Nov 6, 2018 at 8:14 AM | Registered Commenterstewgreen

Further to the discussion regarding another referendum:

"Michel Barnier: UK could reapply for EU membership once it is ‘a third country’
The EU’s chief negotiator said a no-deal would be a ‘leap in the dark’ for EU citizens in the UK."

https://www.politico.eu/article/michel-barnier-uk-could-reapply-for-eu-membership-once-it-is-a-third-country/

"If the U.K. changes its mind about Brexit once it has left the EU, it can reapply for membership “like a third country,” the bloc’s chief Brexit negotiator Michel Barnier said Monday."

Well, he would say that, wouldn't he?

Nov 6, 2018 at 8:08 AM | Unregistered CommenterMark Hodgson

The BBC remains unable to learn from its past errors of judgement, but is still intent on educating the unbrainwashed majority.
Nov 5, 2018 at 11:16 PM | Unregistered Commentergolf charlie


Indeed. As I often say, "The BBC aspires to educate the world, yet they cannot educate themselves."

It's a phrase I took from Frank Herbert's Dune when the Baron Vladimir Harkonnen is admonishing his nephew Feyd-Rautha who has yet to learn the subtleties and self-discipline required of one intent on ruthlessly governing the underclasses.

'He aspires to rule my Barony, yet he cannot rule himself.'

There are lessons for all of us in that book.

Nov 6, 2018 at 12:39 AM | Unregistered Commentermichael hart

@M Courtney, Nov 5, 2018 at 11:13 PM

Thanks. Informative.

One aspect I think is also ignored by the study & msm is how many remainers (not remoaners) will have been shocked by EU's aggressive reaction to Brexit vote and their intransigence & spitefulness even if punishing UK means EU citizens suffer similar or greater hardship. Furthermore, constant msm and establishment insults to Leave voters is another negative.

I know no Leave who would change vote, yet several remain who would change vote.

Nov 5, 2018 at 11:54 PM | Registered CommenterPcar

I find the education/Remain link deceptive. My mother had zero qualifications but she was smarter than my nearest millennial degree holders. She came from an era where she had no opportunities. There is a link between certain professionals who are rich enough or remote enough to be unthreatened by immigration or living in an area with enough other compensations from globalism (ie London). There's a particular blindness about how we're steadily going bust through over population. We are told again and again that migration is a net gain, but if that is the case, how come we are seeing every service from road mending to GPs being swamped with work? The chattering classes witter on about how we must build for our poor young people, neglecting to mention that EU nationals alone account for about 4 million extra people in the last 10 years. Due to our leaky borders, there are an unknown number of illegal migrants on top of that.

The young favour the EU and the left for the same reasons. They like the idea of money redistribution. Only when they get older do they realised that the money that gets redistributed is theirs.

Nov 5, 2018 at 11:37 PM | Unregistered CommenterTinyCO2

...Peterloo encapsulated three themes: The resentment by the working classes about their exclusion from politics; the attitudes of a political elite based in London who saw their interests threatened by demands for much wider and healthier democracy; and the abuse of state power.

Spot the similarities with Brexit? I can! They’re all over the place. The Brexit vote: overwhelmingly a phenomenon of regional England and Wales – especially northern England. The London elite: voices concentrated in the capital that not only like to pretend we’re too thick to know what we voted for, but who are trying with gusto to overturn or water down Brexit to point of meaninglessness. The abuse of state power...

Good article.

Nov 5, 2018 at 11:36 PM | Registered CommenterPcar

"It is all the more annoying to be told that people who voted for Brexit tend to be stupid and/or uneducated while being told that the inverse is also true. "
Nov 5, 2018 at 8:03 PM | Mark Hodgson

That arrogance was agreed on by Cameron, Miliband, and Clegg, to be broadcast by the BBC (and others) for public consumption. Cameron and Miliband both underestimated and insulted the intelligence of their own MPs and loyal supporters.

The BBC remains unable to learn from its past errors of judgement, but is still intent on educating the unbrainwashed majority.

Nov 5, 2018 at 11:16 PM | Unregistered Commentergolf charlie

Pcar, An interesting model.
Two quick weaknesses.

1) It assumes the past is like the future. Having had a vote there is a step change. Whole cohorts could move. Or maybe not. But it questions the whole premise.

2) It finds education to be very important. And that seems proven. But it makes no distinction between the nature of the education, only the degree. Is the effect of studying Classics the same as studying Modern English Literature or Philosophy or Physics or Engineering?

And it doesn't take into account the cultural impact of immigration. Which I don't count as being significant due to small scale. But it is a possibility and seems to be something that would be considered by some.

Nov 5, 2018 at 11:13 PM | Registered CommenterM Courtney

Munk Debate
Bannon gets on the podium at 10m35 a minute later and he's already won, and beaten Frum
#1 "Populism is the future, the only question is whether it will be nationalist populism or socialist popularism"

.. clever framing ..cos the socialists want that they want Sanders, they want Corbyn
..then #2 an audience member begins to shout him down
.. and that showing that the socialists are the bullies ..means Bannon has won.

Frum seems to think the debate is about sneering at Trump

Nov 5, 2018 at 10:55 PM | Registered Commenterstewgreen

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