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Shall I try again at spelling medieval?

Nov 21, 2018 at 9:28 PM | Unregistered CommenterTinyCO2

Heck, I wouldn't even want to swap this life for that of a medival noble.

Nov 21, 2018 at 9:27 PM | Unregistered CommenterTinyCO2

Dork, if you'd seen the series Tudor Monastery Farm, you'd know that the medeival peasant was anything but lazy because they couldn't be. While the church theoetically protected their workers from starvation, they also took any and all profit from their workers. They were slaves in all but name. Those working for nobility, generally did better but had no safety net for years of poor harvest or business or illness. That excludes all the time they had to spend on religion - on pain of death if they didn't. I would never swap their lives for mine.

Nov 21, 2018 at 9:19 PM | Unregistered CommenterTinyCO2

People say things like it costs us this amount or that.
They might refer to " my country"
This is a grossly incorrect view.
They need to adjust to the obvious reality.
It costs your owners so much .
You will indeed pay via the rationing process but you are outside the loop.
Only finance controls life.
They have inherited the divine right of Kings .
They are effectively outside of consequence and prosecution.

Nov 21, 2018 at 9:07 PM | Unregistered CommenterThe Dork of Cork

I've expressed myself at length and have considered the responses so I won't return to this subject for a while. No need to bore everyone with repetition. I concede that the cultural costs of sub-cultures can have negative costs both financial as well as social. Still not sure that's the fault of those who build up there own cultures and communities rather than those who neglect our own.

However I must respond to Mark Hodgson at 8:28 PM | Nov 21, 2018 because I need to acknowledge that I did misunderstand his point about migrant workers in the NHS. Sorry about that.
Not sure that the impact is as bad as you say though for the reasons you yourself point out. Immigrants are younger and fitter than most NHS patients.

I also acknowledge the multiplier effect but think it can't be avoided. Without the migrants the work won't happen at all and that also leads to a loss of capital from the UK. Money will be invested where it Is wanted.

Nov 21, 2018 at 9:06 PM | Registered CommenterM Courtney

@M Courtney, Nov 21, 2018 at 7:35 AM

And in the long-term? It has been suggested that when they retire, get old, get ill and need scare that they become a cost. That may be true but so what? That is true of people in general, not immigrants.

The "so what" being Politicians & msm tell us we must import more and more people to care for the old - there will thus be more and more old people.

Do we keep importing until we're all living with six others in a small room?

Nov 21, 2018 at 8:58 PM | Registered CommenterPcar

@tomo. Nov 21, 2018 at 12:26 AM

Thanks for ERG link.

Nov 21, 2018 at 8:57 PM | Registered CommenterPcar

M Courtney, thank you for your thoughtful response, much - but not all - of which I agree with. Indeed, I often agree with you, even if I don't pop up to say so. However, regarding remittances abroad by immigrants, I think you over-simplify and under-estimate the value of the multiplier effect - or should I say, in this case, the multiplier effect in reverse when money leaches out of the economy. A decent explanation of the multiplier effect can be found here (easier to provide a link than attempt to regurgitate my half-forgotten A level economics):

https://www.tutor2u.net/economics/reference/multiplier-effect

£8bn of remittances p.a. leaching from the economy cost us a lot more than £8bn p.a. in terms of the negative drag on the economy.

As regards the NHS, either I didn't explain myself very well, or you have misunderstood my comment (or maybe both). We are often told that we need immigrants to keep the NHS working, because so many immigrants work in the NHS. My point was that a smaller proportion of NHS staff is comprised of immigrants than the proportion of immigrants in the UK (not that more immigrants work outside the NHS than work in it). If 12% of NHS staff are immigrants, but 15% of the population are immigrants, then immigrants are actually a net drain on NHS resources rather than a net contributor to it. Of course, such a statement is itself over-simplistic, as older people (predominantly not immigrants) are a significant burden on the NHS compared to the rest of the population; and many senior and important NHS staff are immigrants, and it would indeed be a problem if they left. But on a general level, the NHS needs its immigrant workers because there are so many immigrants who use the NHS. To reduce that to the human - my 85 year old mother struggles to get an appointment with her (Asian) doctor because her GP's surgery is full of Asian (mostly Muslim) mothers and their numerous offspring, all needing/wanting to see a GP.

Other than that - what Tiny CO2 said.

Nov 21, 2018 at 8:28 PM | Unregistered CommenterMark Hodgson

"by Judith Curry On June 12, I am scheduled to appear in a debate that includes Michael Mann "
..anyone know what happened ?

Nov 21, 2018 at 8:22 PM | Registered Commenterstewgreen

This might 'anrgify' some of you.
What Merkel Really meant to say!
Achtung I vill only say zis vunce
You can read the full text in the Daily express

Nov 21, 2018 at 8:07 PM | Unregistered CommenterKleinefeldmaus

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