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BBC metropolitan elite, moi?

Result confirms my suspicion about uncaring ignorant Britain the moment you step outside of London.

Gaia Vince is not amused




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The Westminster village seems to think the "country " is near Hampstead Heath.

Some people ought to get out, more often. These politicians are a start.

May 8, 2015 at 12:18 PM | Unregistered Commentergolf charlie

BBC still reporting complete astonishment within the massed ranks of 'expert' pundits of the Tory majority. They absolutely didn't see this coming and are reeling, not least because of the unspoken exposure of the fallacy of their own expertise reveals them to be not quite as expert as they liked to think. Humility, anyone?

May 8, 2015 at 12:40 PM | Unregistered Commentercheshirered

Ah, well, that's what democracy is about. And it's why the Greens hate it...

May 8, 2015 at 12:40 PM | Unregistered CommenterDodgy Geezer

The brits have never had the guts to vote for real change. At the moment of decision they always move back o safe ground.

You will pay for this result before the next GE. Juncker and Merkel will grind you to submission. Poo, poor brits. Failed again. You've elected a man who told you not to elect him. Where else in world could that happen. Soooo Sad

May 8, 2015 at 12:41 PM | Unregistered CommenterStephen Richardsrds

If the BBC want to know how they got it so wrong, it could be that the BBC believed its own propaganda.

May 8, 2015 at 12:41 PM | Unregistered Commentergolf charlie

All this proves is that London is a magnet for nutters

May 8, 2015 at 12:48 PM | Unregistered CommenterDoug UK

Paul O'Grady stated the other day that if Cameron got in he'd go and live on The Lido in Venice...

Heathrow's that way, Paul.....

May 8, 2015 at 12:54 PM | Unregistered Commentersherlock1

I dearly hope we WILL be given that opportunity for a referendum, & not as Blair did by saying he would have one, then brushed it under the carpet!

May 8, 2015 at 1:29 PM | Unregistered CommenterAlan the Brit

Indirectly, I suspect it wos the SNP wot dun it, by suggested associations with Labour. Scotland had their vote, now England has voted.

May 8, 2015 at 1:37 PM | Unregistered Commentermichael hart

Alan the Brit, Blair had a lot to brush under the carpet. That is why he needs so many houses.

May 8, 2015 at 1:39 PM | Unregistered Commentergolf charlie

Alan the Brit, that's what Cameron did last time.
But now that he hasn't got the LibDems at his side he will give a referendum because the 1922 committee will force his hand.

Of course, the people will vote for the status quo as they are too cowardly to make big change (as we've just seen with the blundering that pushes Scotland away).

May 8, 2015 at 1:39 PM | Registered CommenterM Courtney

the moment you step outside of London.

Is that the same as north of the Oxbridge line?

May 8, 2015 at 1:40 PM | Registered CommenterMikeHaseler

To paraphrase Sherlock Holmes - after you have eliminated the totally unacceptable (e.g. Lab & LibDems), you will have to put up with whatever is left. And they try to tell us this is democracy!

May 8, 2015 at 1:42 PM | Unregistered CommenterIan E

Ian, as the Greeks tell us elections are not democratic - this is because elections always favour the established oligarchy.

The reality is that elections are just a way to convince people who totally reject the establishment that lord it over us ... that somehow we are responsible for selecting that establishment.

At the very least, we must get rid of the "deposit" because the criteria for standing in elections should not be whether you have a spare £500 but whether you can get enough support. So the criteria for standing should be something like 10 or even 100 local electors counter-signing your application to stand in the election.

May 8, 2015 at 1:46 PM | Registered CommenterMikeHaseler

M Courtney
I see it slightly differently and only time will tell which of us is right.
I'm always inclined to give people the benefit of the doubt and assume they are what they say they are and plan to do what they say they will do. On that basis Cameron is entitled to a fair wind (from us at any rate) to prove that, without the shackles of the Lib-Dems around his ankles he will govern as a Conservative and do the things that the 2010 manifesto promised that his party would do.
Which also means, I'm afraid, having to quietly grind my teeth at the continued eco-idiocies which have infected all the mainstream parties and which I have to assume will continue for some time under this government.
But I don't think the 1922 Committee has any need to hold his feet to the fire for a referendum on Europe. He's promised it so unequivocally that to renege on it would probably consign the Tories to the wilderness for years.
My only concern is that having committed to a 2017 date he will find himself, through no fault of his own, either delaying the vote, in which case all the usual suspects will again argue that he is backing out, or calling the vote with the issue still unresolved to anyone's satisfaction. We have already heard Juncker say (in effect) that he plans to make sure that there will be no deal by 2017. I would much have preferred 2019 which would have put pressure on the Commission since two years might be pushing things but four years would have shown whether there was any serious attempt by Brussels to negotiate. Or not.

May 8, 2015 at 1:56 PM | Registered CommenterMike Jackson

esmiff posted this a couple of weeks ago on the 'Vote tory to save the polar bears' thread. It is worth repeating:

The Hitchiker's Guide to Democracy, Douglas Adams.

“It comes from a very ancient democracy, you see..."

On its world, the people are people. The leaders are lizards. The people hate the lizards and the lizards rule the people."

"Odd," said Arthur, "I thought you said it was a democracy."
"I did," said Ford. "It is."

"So," said Arthur, hoping he wasn't sounding ridiculously obtuse, "why don't people get rid of the lizards?"

"It honestly doesn't occur to them," said Ford. "They've all got the vote, so they all pretty much assume that the government they've voted in more or less approximates to the government they want."

"You mean they actually vote for the lizards?"

"Oh yes," said Ford with a shrug, "of course."

"But," said Arthur, going for the big one again, "why?"

"Because if they didn't vote for a lizard," said Ford, "the wrong lizard might get in".

Apr 14, 2015 at 1:20 PM | Unregistered Commenter esmiff

Meanwhile Davey, Miliband and Clegg may have gone, but Cameron is still clueless:

May 8, 2015 at 2:08 PM | Registered Commenterlapogus

"Alan the Brit, Blair had a lot to brush under the carpet. That is why he needs so many houses."
May 8, 2015 at 1:39 PM | Unregistered Commenter golf charlie

That is extremely judgemental & wholly unfair! Where on Earth do you expect him, a poor bloodsucking lawyer, to hide his £millions he gets in various taxpayer funded grants & hand outs?

May 8, 2015 at 2:17 PM | Unregistered CommenterAlan the Brit

My favourite TWEET (whatever that is) on Guido, from a Richard Black:

If only opinion polls were as accurate as climate models!

May 8, 2015 at 2:35 PM | Unregistered CommenterHarry Passfield

Alan the Brit, MP's are always a bit wary of houses with cellars and basements, used for storage. Something to do with Guy Fawkes.

May 8, 2015 at 2:42 PM | Unregistered Commentergolf charlie

My favourite TWEET (whatever that is) on Guido, from a Richard Black:

If only opinion polls were as accurate as climate models!
May 8, 2015 at 2:35 PM | Unregistered CommenterHarry Passfield

Indeed. And the appropriate reply below it is

Alb Einstein
Global temperature update: no warming for 18 years 5 months.

Looks like they are.

May 8, 2015 at 2:54 PM | Unregistered Commentermichael hart

Good post on this from Brendon O'Neill at Spiked.

"Labour has transformed from a party of the trade unions into a party of the metropolitan, largely London-based opinion-shaping set. A party that was born to represent working people’s interests is now little more than a kind of political safe haven for a new elite that feels cut off both from traditional politics and the masses."

May 8, 2015 at 3:02 PM | Registered CommenterPaul Matthews

Alan the Brit, MP's are always a bit wary of houses with cellars and basements, used for storage. Something to do with Guy Fawkes.
May 8, 2015 at 2:42 PM | Unregistered Commenter golf charlie

Now he showed great promise imho! My favourite film over last few years was "V for Vendetta", I only watch the closing scenes, it's so nice to think of those loyal dedicated MPs enriching themselves err I mean serving the public dutifully!

May 8, 2015 at 3:09 PM | Unregistered CommenterAlan the Brit

'You can't influence the outcome of an election': says Russell Brand

I think you did mate... just not in the direction you wanted it to go. The middle class had a little revolution and you weren't invited.

Whatever you think of the Conservatives, you ahve to love the consternation of the BBC, the luvvies and the Guardian.

May 8, 2015 at 3:13 PM | Unregistered CommenterTinyCO2

The Russell-Brand effect:

Russell-Brand : People, don't vote

[Everyone votes, turnout up]

Russell-Brand: People, vote Labour

[Conservatives win]

May 8, 2015 at 3:25 PM | Unregistered CommenterTheBigYinJames

May 8, 2015 at 12:41 PM | Stephen Richardsrds
And which brave and wonderful country do you hail from, Stephen?

May 8, 2015 at 4:09 PM | Unregistered CommenterJeremy Poynton

I think that Russell Brand and Ed Miliband exposing themselves to each other on TV, really helped a lot of voters, particularly the younger impressionable ones, make up their minds. First impressions count, and can last a lifetime.

May 8, 2015 at 4:17 PM | Unregistered Commentergolf charlie

May 8, 2015 at 4:23 PM | Unregistered CommenterNCC 1701E

Despite it being the city of my birth, for some time the greater concern on (rare, luckily) compelled returns is usually what I would step in.

This democracy thing is so last week for some, isn't it?

I see it took a wee while, but following some less than gushing support, the fallback was 'just joooooking'.

Few seem conVinced.

May 8, 2015 at 4:29 PM | Unregistered CommenterJunkkMale

"If only opinion polls were as accurate as climate models!"

The problem with opinion polls versus climate models is that they don't get enough opinions. Maybe if they tried getting opinions from every other country, there would be a range of opinion sufficient to cover all eventualities and therefore the correct answer would have been obtained.

May 8, 2015 at 5:15 PM | Unregistered CommenterDaveJR

DaveJR in this instance, opinions were formed and decided in advance, it then required manipulation to make them come true.

Politicians and pundits, just like climate scientists, have to blame everyone else. The possibility that they could have made multiple errors of judgement, is easily explained away by Lewandowsky, Mandelson, Madoff, Ponzi, Goebbels, Archer, Banking Executives, Stalin, to name but a few.

It is quite nice to squeeze banking executives between Archer and Stalin.

May 8, 2015 at 7:25 PM | Unregistered Commentergolf charlie

I am deeply grieved and alarmed to read all these deniers denying that Labour won the election. The count was obviously wrong. The polls were right. So we have to find the missing votes. Its a travesty that we cannot. Its awful how these deniers of politics can ally with vested interests to deny the facts. The missing votes have been shown by the latest peer reviewed study to be in the depths of Huddersfield in a cellar from whence they will come up and eject the neoliberal conservatives any time now.

May 8, 2015 at 7:31 PM | Unregistered Commentermichel

I'm just LOVING!! these champagne pseudo-socialists' pain.
May it continue for a loooooooooooooooooooooong time.

May 8, 2015 at 7:35 PM | Unregistered CommenterBitter&Twisted

I think that Russell Brand and Ed Miliband exposing themselves to each other on TV (...)
May 8, 2015 at 4:17 PM golf charlie

How glad I am that I don't watch TV.

May 8, 2015 at 7:48 PM | Unregistered CommenterMartin A

And which brave and wonderful country do you hail from, Stephen?

Jeremy Poynton

France at the moment. Proportional representation. 4.000.000 votes gets you more than ONE seat. I am by the way a former councillor and was voted to that position by PR. AND yes france is a great country but plagued by the same number of inept, corrupt, arrogant idiots as the rest of Europe and the UK.

I believe that the EU will be seen for what it is within the next 10 yrs and the revolution will begin. Quite what form that revolution will take I can't predict (I don't have a reliable model like a climate model).

What you brits don't know (because your media will not tell you) is that we voted in a referendum on the Lisbon treaty and voted contre. Sarkozy and the French elite decided we were too stupid to realise what we were doing and so ignored the NO result.

Unlike many brits I believe that Dave the liar will grant you a referendum but will load it against a no vote. Perhaps he will allow the 4.000.000 immigrants to vote that is if the islamists will let them without threatening to decapitate everyone. At least we in france have had the guts to ban the habib and and all other religious symbols.

May 8, 2015 at 7:55 PM | Unregistered CommenterStephen Richardsrds
May 8, 2015 at 8:51 PM | Unregistered CommenterPointman

"If only opinion polls were as accurate as climate models!"

Five more years of Conservative Rule ,five more years of the Temperature Pause.

May 8, 2015 at 9:30 PM | Unregistered Commenterjamspid

Here in Paisley, the SNP put a 20 year old (female) hooligan, simply to embarrass Douglas Alexander. Thanks to the power of the Tartan Godfather, Rupert Murdoch, she won and we now have the farcical situation where Paisley has the youngest MP in Britain since 1667.

She is the only MP in history to begin her acceptance speech with 'My fellow yobs'.

See this SNP supporting picture from the Sun

May 8, 2015 at 10:00 PM | Unregistered Commenteresmiff

the question now is whether we opt for a short pain and just pull the plug from under the Bolsheviks and "our" bbc
Or we opt for a long 1000 cuts agony for them before we stop funding their Islington lifestyles

I'd say the latter might be more fun

May 9, 2015 at 1:13 AM | Unregistered CommenterVenusNotWarmerDueToCO2

So the elections are over. I seem to remember talk of the UK people being given the opportunity to reshape their commitment to the EU. I'm not hearing anything about this.

What is the stance on the EU now for you people over there?

May 9, 2015 at 5:50 AM | Unregistered CommenterPaul in Sweden

"the question now is whether we opt for a short pain and just pull the plug from under the Bolsheviks and "our" bbc
Or we opt for a long 1000 cuts agony for them before we stop funding their Islington lifestyles. I'd say the latter might be more fun" --VenusNotWarmerDueToCO2

I'd say, when you lift the rock, you'd better have your brogans on.

May 9, 2015 at 6:39 AM | Unregistered Commenterjorgekafkazar

Result confirms my suspicion about uncaring ignorant Britain the moment you step outside of London.

Is London still part of Britain? It is infuriating the way some people think that if other parts of the country are different there is something wrong with them. A typical example is Ofsted which thinks that schools in Devon should be more like those in Tower Hamlets. "Modern Britain" is a country that would be foreign to our grandparents.

May 9, 2015 at 8:31 AM | Unregistered CommenterRoy

Final segment of Newsnight how and why did the opinion polls get it so wrong.

Maybe just the way the opinion polls were reported by a Labour biased BBC.

Perhaps sensitive accurate Data predicting a Cameron win was with held.

Compare Opinion Polls up against Climate Models and how they are both reported by a bias media.

May 9, 2015 at 8:32 AM | Unregistered CommenterJamspid

"Opinion Polls up against Climate Models and how they are both reported by a bias media".

Compare the failure of Opinion Polls up against the failure of Climate Models and how they are both reported by a bias media.

May 9, 2015 at 8:57 AM | Unregistered Commenterjamspid

The BBC this morning is a study in making the best of a bad lot. I'm surprised there isn't black curtains and a faint funeral dirge in the background They've decided the SNP will still carry the red banner for them and are bigging up the idea that 56 Scottish MPs will out vote 331 Conservative ones.

May 9, 2015 at 9:54 AM | Unregistered CommenterTinyCO2

I must admit that I had never heard of Gaia Vince and therefore I googled her. She seems to have a very interesting, and reasonably remunerative, job that takes her travelling all over the world so whenever she gets back to her home in London she probably does not feel like travelling any more. Therefore Britain outside London probably seems to her like a remote country populated by strange people who just happen to speak the same language as her but cannot possibly be as intelligent.

In addition, she probably thinks that the rest of us should forgo foreign travel in order to make up for her large "carbon footprint."

May 9, 2015 at 10:09 AM | Unregistered CommenterRoy


The SNP are owned and operated by Rupert Murdoch.

Leveson Report: Alex Salmond had 'striking' willingness to lobby for Rupert Murdoch.

Alex Salmond displayed a “striking” willingness to lobby the Government on behalf of Rupert Murdoch after developing a relationship of “mutual respect and admiration” with the media mogul, the Leveson inquiry has found.
Rupert Murdoch and Alex Salmond enjoy a relationship of “mutual respect and admiration”

The First Minister last night claimed he was exonerated after the report ruled there was not enough evidence to say definitively that he agreed to lobby for the takeover in return for the Scottish Sun supporting the SNP at last year’s Holyrood elections.
But Lord Justice Leveson noted that talks on both BSkyB and the Sun’s backing took place in the same conversation, which was conducted in the context of a “warming” relationship between Mr Salmond and News Corp.

May 9, 2015 at 10:11 AM | Unregistered Commenteresmiff

The real problem here ( and I cannot believe that the Westminster bubble did not see this as a possibility) is that commentators were not allowed to question the ever-present unscientific polls and erstwhile hacks were promoted as omnicient pollsters. However, to those politicos who actually live with voters, this was always the most likely outcome once the SNP were shown to be growing. The fact that seasoned reporters were afraid to put their careers on the line says it all. And as others have posted has a direct parallel with the climate debate. I bet the UN are delighted, that another mildly sceptic voice will be lining up with Australia in Paris, Patterson or Peter Lillee as chief negotiator?

May 9, 2015 at 10:46 AM | Unregistered Commentertrefjon

esmiff, while there is cross pollination, I think the public choses a paper for its output as much as the paper's output influences the people who read it. After all, most of us read the Guardian quite regularly but we're hardly swayed by it. By rights we should all be left wing given the amount of time we watch the BBC but many of us resist.

The only thing that Murdoch will care for the Scottish Sun and its English counterpart is that it appeals to as many people as possible so that he can make more money.

May 9, 2015 at 11:54 AM | Unregistered CommenterTinyCO2

urrban bastard.
High 7?

May 9, 2015 at 12:01 PM | Unregistered CommenterAlan Reed

Murdoch supported the SNP to wipe out Labour in Scotland and win the election for the Tories. Without Murdoch support, the SNP were massacred in the referendum.


Observer - Murdoch becomes American

"The junk finance Milken provided for Murdoch to meet the $2.7bn cost of Fox and other deals alongside it was far beyond the limit of what could have been raised by a similar company entirely subject to US accounting rules",6903,1028190,00.html

May 9, 2015 at 12:08 PM | Unregistered Commenteresmiff

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