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Bishop Hill The trip
Jan 14, 2013 At least one commenter has correctly surmised that the purpose of my trip south has been to watch David Holland questioning Sir Muir Russell and Edward Acton about the details of the Climategate inquiries at the Information Tribunal. That's tomorrow's excitement. I've also had some discussions today which may turn out to be just as important in the long run.
Interesting times.
Reader Comments (53)
Ahh, I was hoping it might have to do with that, but I was keeping my mouth shut.
Let's all cheer when Acton and Muir Russell come clean.... Oops, not expecting that, but let's hope something good comes out of their farce.
Btw, new paper suggesting that climate sensitivity may be low not high:
http://hockeyschtick.blogspot.com/2013/01/new-paper-confirms-findings-of-lindzen.html?m=1
(h/t Tom Nelson)
Do us a Josh type pictorial transcript summary, please!!
skiphil...that paper is pre-debunked already! if it says Lindzen, the faithful chuckle and ignore. you can see it at the AGU speech given by Pierrehumbert....he was inspired to become a climate non-scientist by reading a paper by Lindzen.
Skiphil: Thanks for the pointer.
Diogenes: I don't understand. Do you have a link to a specific debunking?
Bish: Just read CA and was wondering if I should attend. May see you and David there.
diogenes~ Did your lantern blow out?
You couldn't nip on down to Southwark Crown court and give us an update on stig who let 'her indoors' do the driving - aka agent "yellow topgear" - go on - you know you want to Bish.
Richard Drake: please do attend the Holland hearing. Your impressions/commentary would be appreciated.
Your Grace: like the creators of an old radio show, you know how to create an aura of suspense! I will tune in for the next episode.
As for "interesting times," beware the Chinese curse.
Watch? Are you not allowed to assist David as a "McKenzie Friend" or whatever?
http://www.judiciary.gov.uk/Resources/JCO/Documents/Guidance/pfd_guidance_mckenzie_friends_oct_2008.pdf
diogenes's point was that it was authored by Lindzen. Therefor "debunked" aka discredited before they read it.
Good luck to David Holland.
I hope he has had some practice goes at questioning evasive types. Having seen Team UEA in action in the past, IMO careful, specific questions will need reinforcing immediately the replies wander off track. This will need to be applied consistently and, if Tony Newbery's experience is anything to go by, without any support from the Tribunal.
I'd suggest having a tiered approach to objectives - ie best outcome in terms of points established/won, acceptable outcome, and absolute minimum to establish. Have questions thought through in a way that supports those outcomes.
Take advantage that any skilled liar will be very reluctant to have a lie on the record against them - so make explicit any implicit lies and ask them to confirm them.
Be prepared to have the Tribunal work against you and have a plan in place to handle/challenge their direction. Beware of Muir Russell - IMO a complete snake.
Best wishes for a worthwhile endeavour.
Oi! I object to that.
Snakism is a scourge on our times.
We snakes prefer you employ wormism, and much more applicable in this instance...
Greg: the paper is by P. Bjornbom.
Sorry to say Bish. Like all politics in this once great country of ours it'll be a complete waste of time. Spend a load of tax payers money then just get on with 'I'm-all-right-jack' politics.
Bish, If David Holland doesn't have a 'mckenzie friend' why not volunteer your services
I would suggest an eel.
Anybody know the make up of the Tribunal?
http://www.justice.gov.uk/downloads/tribunals/information-rights/who-are-the-tribunaljudges-may-2011.pdf
Another “forecast” from our beloved weather forecasters. Notice how they have found out it’s usually colder in the North.
http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/weather/uk/wm/wm_forecast_weather_noscript.html
UK Outlook for Tuesday 29 Jan 2013 to Tuesday 12 Feb 2013:
Colder than average conditions are favoured across many parts of the UK, especially in the north and east. Whilst there is no strong signal for rainfall patterns through this period, drier than average conditions are more likely in the north, whereas the south may have near or even slightly above average rainfall. The frequency of snow events through this period may be more than experienced so far this winter.
Updated: 1139 on Mon 14 Jan 2013
The frequency of snow events through this period may be more.....on the other hand it may be less, and actually we haven't a clue, so we're covered if we say "may".
@Phillip Bratby...I would suggest an eel.
Surely you are not hinting that some people are slippery and slimy?
Commenters such as 'diogenes' are so transparent it's beyond parody. As Richard Drake points out, the research wasn't carried out by Lindzen but by P. Björnbom KTH Royal Institute of Technology, Sweden.
If 'diogenes' wishes to refute the findings, which I'm sure he will, oh look, there's an Interactive Discussion Forum link where you can go and discuss scientific theories with the author. Do let us know how you get on.
http://www.earth-syst-dynam-discuss.net/4/25/2013/esdd-4-25-2013-discussion.html
Earth System Dynamics -An Interactive Open Access Journal of the European Geosciences Union
http://www.earth-syst-dynam-discuss.net/4/25/2013/esdd-4-25-2013.html
Jan 15, 2013 at 6:54 AM | not banned yet
"Beware of Muir Russell - IMO a complete snake."
How dare you nby, Sir Muir Russell is one of our finest public servants with outstanding achievements behind him. You may not be aware that this grandee of bureaucrats managed to get an extra £360M of costs into a project originally budgeted at £40M, I shouldn't wonder he's in line for a peerage.
Jan 15, 2013 at 11:30 AM | coldoldman
Hi Coldy, I think you'll find that diogenes wasn't refuting the paper but pointing out that it will be refuted by the usual crowd. He was being ironic.
"The frequency of snow events through this period may be more than experienced so far this winter"
= more snow possible. But why use 3 words when 17 will do..?
Before long Kids will not know what irony is.
@Mike Jackson,
"I finally understand what the MO computer does. It churns out this rubbish; surely no human brain has been involved in this!"
Indeed; I was reminded of Orwell's versificator:
"The tune had been haunting London for weeks past. It was one of countless similar songs published for the benefit of the proles by a sub-section of the Music Department. The words of these songs were composed without any human intervention whatever on an instrument known as a versificator. But the woman sang so tunefully as to turn the dreadful rubbish into an almost pleasant sound."
peterwalsh
Would I be so bold as to accuse a knight of the realm as being slippery and slimy? Moi!
Well if it doesn't go away the Viner Way, at least you can ban it...
Telegraph: Police threaten to arrest people throwing snowballs
Phillip
How about a Weasel?
Anyway, wasn't one J.Savile a KBE? It's not the appellation it was...
Phillip @ Jan 15, 2013 at 1:57 PM
That is unanswerable!
In that case I apologise.
Exactly.
AngusPangus
We all wish David well, but I hope he opened all the windows and turned the heating off
before he appeared.
There we are - humour and irony returns !
Richard Drake:
try this link
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RICBu_P8JWI
if you don't want to watch the whole video, start at 35.49...and listen to the ritual laughter when Pierrehumbert attacks Lindzen
Will do, thanks, diogenes. Just come out of David Holland's hearing and in a cybercafe, recharging my MacBook!
David did especially well in questioning Muir Russell this afternoon I thought. As Andrew's just said, we may not win this one but it was a real education to witness (and David Henderson was sitting between us, a giant beside one pygmy at least!)
The tribunal of three (am I repeating myself?) the other end of the room seemed on the ball and very fair, based on all their interventions. But there was something said by the presiding judge shortly after I arrived about not reporting details. I think that was just during the session but I want to check - don't want to end up in Tower just yet :)
It seems that some of our regular bloggers are in need of some light relief.
To that end I have penned a parody on a widely loved Irish Ballad called 'Spancil Hill'
It is an ode to a small village in Co Clare, penned a couple of hundred years ago by an emigrant to California called Michael Cosidine. The best rendition is by the Dubliners. Any one who is musical can find the tune on the net by searching for 'The Dubliners'.
BISHOP HILL
Last nigh as I lay dreaming of warmer days gone by,
Me mind being bent on rambeling to Hadley I did fly;
A computer there to programme it showed no warming still,
I went to Andrew Montford and his blog at Bishop Hill.
Delighted by the novelty of playing computer games,
I put some garbage in one end it came out as horses hames;
I need some extra terrabites the sheepil will foot the bill,
For my brand new hindcasts I'll show them to Bishop Hill.
It being late on Christmas Eve I must hide this new decline,
In case some sceptics see the trend else my grant is on the line:
This model needs more CO2 there's too much chlorophyll,
Let's hype global warming and confuse old Bishop Hill.
I next flew o're the water to the land of the Canuk,
To see my lovely Donna she's the delinquint I mistook;
I could not deny her 'saying Donna I love you still',
She's the climate audits daughter and the pride of Bishop Hill.
I next went down to Dixie 'cross the Masonic Dixon line,
My mann was on the icerink but his game was in decline;
Hanson's team of all stars had eaten too much swill,
They looked unfit for purpose unlike the champs at Bishop Hill.
I dreamt I steeped down under to what was the lucky land,
Until Gilliards nihilists ruled free speech was banned;
I met with Joanne Nova with Bolt she has the skill,
To lead Aus out of darkness with their links to Bishop Hill.
I then woke up in Blighty and found my nightmares true,
The windmills not a mirage of the fevered CRU;
Watts Up with Mrs Slingo she has made the climate chill,
Is she scared of climate realists who inhabit Bishop Hill?
looking forward to details. I don't understand why members of the audience would be restricted from comment. This surely isnt Star Chamber stuff.
So did David ask why Muir Russell did not publish his submission? (The website still just says ''on legal advice'). And if so how did MR avoid answering it?
diogenes, thanks.
That accordion-playing clown is presenting "Tyndall Lecture: GC43I. Successful Predictions".
Tyndall... Isn't that Mike Hulme's backyard?
@Richard Drake, re reporting details: if it was a "public appointment" as UEA asserts, why should the details remain private? Also, it's a public hearing is it not?
theduke: if it was a "public appointment" as UEA asserts, why should the details remain private?
Not to turn it into a "public disappointment"?
I guess if details arent allowed to be printed...just yet...then all we will have to do is wait until the judgement of the tribunal is given. Then we should be allowed to read all the details that were ignored eh?
Mailman
patthepoet
Thanks, Pat, cheered my evening!
Hope we don't have to wait too long to hear from the Bishop about the day's events.
re the Bjornbom paper, as predicted by me:
Comment 76
[Response: Another paper confusing short term variations with long-term shifts. - gavin]
http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2013/01/on-sensitivity-part-i/comment-page-2/#comments
Irony,not the same as sarcasm really.
How about, /Fe as an irony tag?
(i`ll get my coat).
Nice banjo //Fe
//Fe = not ironic
banjo -
Wouldn't it be /Fey for irony?
banjo:
Love the irony tag. I will now proceed to appropriate it as my own. One advantage of getting older is it becomes more difficult to remember the correct attribution - plagiarism becomes simple memory loss.
Your sense of humor tracks mine... according to my friends and family, that is not a complement ;)