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Thursday
Jul142011

Beware trolls bearing gifts - Josh 112

H/t Theo Goodwin. Fishy arguments a plenty this week.

Cartoons by Josh

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Reader Comments (24)

Or you could just call it the Nick Stokes Award after spending a couple hours over at Climate Audit.

Jul 15, 2011 at 7:35 AM | Unregistered Commenterboballab

Never underestimate the troll called tempterrain at Judith's place.

Jul 15, 2011 at 7:56 AM | Unregistered CommenterLatimer Alder

There may be some mistake here Josh. The Red Herring article referred to was by John Abraham.

Whereas you appear to have drawn a caricature of Bob Watson (without his glasses).

Jul 15, 2011 at 8:04 AM | Unregistered CommenterGSW

GSW

Search for Herring on the Abraham post and you will see what I mean ;-)

Jul 15, 2011 at 8:56 AM | Unregistered CommenterJosh

Is that a generic troll or is it a caricature of someone?
John Bauer set the standard on trolls a hundred years ago:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c7/John_Bauer_1915.jpg

Jul 15, 2011 at 10:44 AM | Unregistered CommenterJohn Silver

Josh, youv'e done it again! Each of your brilliant illustrations encapsulates exactly how most of us climate realists see the many very strange characters lurking about on the lunatic fringes of the debate.

Jul 15, 2011 at 11:09 AM | Unregistered CommenterAlexander K

I did get it Josh ;) -troll etc..

Abraham is more of "mad eyed, shiny headed, little bald fella" though - a Gollam figure if anything.

On first glance it looked uncannily like Bob Watson, and could be easily mistaken for him. In true private eye/viz style it is usual to print an "Apology" for the confusion.

Images of the two individuals printed side by side, incorrectly labeling each.

One a respected "Climate Scientist from UEA" (the one holding the fish), the other an "On line community troublemaker, spreading half truths and misrepresentions with the intention of pissing people off"

;-)

Enjoy your work by the way, keep it up! highlight of my week!
.

Jul 15, 2011 at 12:32 PM | Unregistered CommenterGSW

From the Wikipedia entry on trolls:

[L]ightning frightens away trolls... the [modern] lack of trolls ... is explained as a result of the "accuracy and efficiency of the lightning strokes"

Sadly, modern trolls can not be incapacitated in this manner, they can only be starved.

Jul 15, 2011 at 12:41 PM | Unregistered CommenterHaroldW

No HaroldW, trolls melt in the sun.

Jul 15, 2011 at 2:48 PM | Unregistered CommenterJohn Silver

That fish looks really pissed off. Is there some reason?

Jul 15, 2011 at 2:58 PM | Unregistered CommenterDon Pablo de la Sierra

Josh,

Thanks for the "high five." I had not expected my analysis to morph into art. And excellent art it is too. I hope that you don't mind that I use it in the classroom. If you have the time, you should do this sort of thing regularly. Finally, thanks for fighting for the integrity of scientific criticism, aka skepticism (US: scepticism).

Theo

Jul 15, 2011 at 3:16 PM | Unregistered CommenterTheo Goodwin

Is it me,or does our fishy object resemble a certain Australian politician?

Jul 15, 2011 at 6:18 PM | Unregistered CommenterAdam Gallon

Latimer:

tempterrain is no troll. So far as I know, his first posts (as Peter Martin - get it?) on AGW were in the extraordinary thread initiated by a David Whitehouse article in the New Statesman published in December 2007. "Extraordinary" because it's still running (having been taken on at Harmless Sky in March 2008) and has amassed over 17,000 comments. His first comment is here (01:38 on 7 January 2008) and his most recent here. You're right: he should not be underestimated.

Jul 15, 2011 at 6:25 PM | Unregistered CommenterRobin Guenier

@robin guenier

Thanks for your advice. I will amend my remark to

'Never understimate that divresionary capability of the long-running and ubiquitous troll called tempterrain, currently appearing at Judith's place'

Jul 15, 2011 at 7:19 PM | Unregistered CommenterLatimer Alder

If Abraham wants to redo his "study," he can use the following question:

As a scientist, do you believe that temperatures in the MWP were higher than today, lower than today, roughly comparable to today, or do you believe that there is too little evidence to justify a comparison?

Jul 15, 2011 at 8:45 PM | Unregistered CommenterTheo Goodwin

Robin

Thanks for the Harmless Sky link and the blog trolling olympiad. But I wandered to a Rod Liddle re-post and found the Roddy best quote of the day

Lord Stem thinks meat is bad because the animals we eat tend to be extremely flatulent. Well, sure, but has he been out for a curry with John Prescott? One rogan josh and that’s both icecaps gone.

Jul 15, 2011 at 9:20 PM | Unregistered CommenterPharos

Latimer: just because you disagree with someone on a blog doesn't make them a troll. As I understand it, a troll is someone who posts extraneous material on an online forum in an attempt to disrupt discussion. But when that mega NS thread started, it attracted comments from all sides of the AGW debate - PeterM was one of many warmists. It's true that, over the years, the sceptics (having the better of the debate) got the upper hand and Peter found himself in a dwindling minority. But, to his credit, he hung in there. PeterM is undoubtedly a pain - but arguably it's he who should take much of the credit for the thread's longevity. Therefore, I maintain he's no troll.

Jul 15, 2011 at 10:02 PM | Unregistered CommenterRobin Guenier

@robin guenier

I'm not sure that stubborn and blind tenacity to a failing cause in face of overwhelming odds is per se a virtue. At best lack of appreciation of the situation...at worse a sign of stupidity.

We'll have to disagree about our impressions and not waste further time on the subject.

Jul 15, 2011 at 10:12 PM | Unregistered CommenterLatimer Alder

Josh

Liked your 'unthreaded' rap video!.

Jul 15, 2011 at 10:48 PM | Unregistered CommenterPharos

@robin guenier
WRT tempterrain - aka, I've found a real cool anagram using my name - being, or not, a Troll.
I broadly agree with Latimer when he says: "We'll have to disagree about our impressions and not waste further time on the subject
I disagree with the bit about not wasting time on the subject. TT on Climate Etc. is truly a Troll even discounting the 17000 citations to this effect that you have so helpfully provided!

Jul 16, 2011 at 12:45 AM | Unregistered CommenterRoyFOMR

GSW, you said.
"There may be some mistake here Josh. The Red Herring article referred to was by John Abraham.

Whereas you appear to have drawn a caricature of Bob Watson (without his glasses)."

Sorry GSW, you failed to spot the obvious problem with your conjecture..
Josh portrayed his troll with eyes set too far apart to be mistaken for Bob Watson!
Try harder next time:)

Jul 16, 2011 at 1:03 AM | Unregistered CommenterRoyFOMR

GSW, Abraham as Gollum, what an excellent idea!

Theo, yes please use it in the classroom, fab!

Pharos, indeed the video is a must see

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AybBEuIpy44

Jul 16, 2011 at 1:29 AM | Unregistered CommenterJosh

Above, I wrote:

"If Abraham wants to redo his "study," he can use the following question:"

"As a scientist, do you believe that temperatures in the MWP were higher than today, lower than today, roughly comparable to today, or do you believe that there is too little evidence to justify a comparison?"

Notice that the only choice that favors Mann and The Team is "lower than today." However, if you make that choice you also have to affirm that there is adequate evidence to justify the comparison. Yet the only source of such evidence is Mann and his sycophants. And that evidence has been totally and rightly debunked. The Warmista are in bad shape indeed. Essays such as the one by Abraham only emphasize that fact.

Jul 16, 2011 at 2:27 AM | Unregistered CommenterTheo Goodwin

Latimer: who said anything about virtue? Merely that he'a a poor example of a troll.

Jul 16, 2011 at 7:16 AM | Unregistered CommenterRobin Guenier

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