"a sexy and fresh approach as opposed to the way young people feel they are preached to by other more 'grown-up' charities."

Bit of clubbing anyone? Walk there and get in for free!

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard/article-23496083-new-eco-nightclub-where-the-dancers-generate-electricity.do

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I too watched part of the first program and then all of the following debate.
The way it was billed led me to believe that there was going to be some serious discussion but all I saw was alot of infighting amongst the green movements. Seems as though there is a movement of new environmentalists who do not agree with the way that Greenpeace and Friends of the Earth have handled themselves over recent years.
Monbiot was on form coming over as this wide eyed anti capatalist scare mongering journalist, really had a bad pr day.

Overall gave the impression that there was nothing to discuss about global warming only the ways of combatting it. If future programs follow the same lead I would think that viewing figures will fall off so rapidly that the series will not be finished.

Did anyone watch the Channel 4 programme last night on Greens changing their minds? I watched the first hour and it seemed entirely accepting of CC or GW which would be necessarily be catastrophic. They even spoke about Himalayan glaciers and Greenland disasters. The change of mind over nuclear power and GM foods seems to be recognition by a couple of previously activist people who have seen those subjects as arguments that the environmentalists will lose. Sceptics got a mention in the intro and I spotted Steve McIntyre's name on the opening shots, but apart from that- nothing.

My jaw is still on the floor after reading this article from the Beeb.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-11685516

And they've discovered that while increased carbon dioxide (CO2) is the biggest cause of global warming, it also makes some plants grow faster which builds new soil and helps the land keep pace with rising sea levels.

"We've been doing this work for a quarter of a century," says Dr Megonigal. "That kind of long term data gives us something that short term experiments can't.

"We found that when you combine nitrogen with CO2, the positive effect on soil elevation is cut in half. So while increased CO2 helps the marsh keep pace with rising sea levels, increased nitrogen seems to work in the other direction. What you give with one hand you take with the other. It's a very complex situation."

CO2 is bad Nitrogen is bad, can't wait until they get around to Oxygen.

London, Tuesday 16th inst.
Drs Pielke Jr and Peiser
http://rogerpielkejr.blogspot.com/2010/11/you-are-invited-peiser-vs-pielke.html

Does anyone remember that "Scientific Peer Review, ca. 1945" (a parody of the "Hitler explodes" scene from Der Untergang) videoclip that appeared on YouTube around the time of climategate? It was posted by a user who calls him/herself indusieumgresium. The video captions appear to demonstrate some knowledge of the climategate emails.

http://www.youtube.com/user/indusieumgresium

Someone called xyzlatin posted about it on WUWT in Dec. 2009: go to http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/12/07/comprhensive-network-analysis-shows-climategate-likely-to-be-a-leak/ then seach for his user name to find the details. xyzlatin also posts on other blogs as "Chris in Australia", and he speculates that "indusieumgresium" could be the climategate whistleblower.

Here's something that may be significant and may not: I check out indusieumgresium's YouTube channel from time to time. He/she joined on 19 Nov 2009 and uploaded the "Scientific Peer Review, ca. 1945" video. Normally the profile shows no recent activity and no recent visits - he/she doesn't even seem to have gone back to check out what reception the video got. But today I noticed that indusieumgresium visited his/her channel three weeks ago.

I wonder if there could be a climategate 2?!

Of course, it could all just be coincidence - the timing and the similarity of themes between the videoclip and the content of the leaked/hacked emails. Intriguing, nonetheless.

Looks like tonight’s C4 documentary "What the Green Movement Got Wrong" has ruffled a few feathers of those who appear in it. Will be an interesting watch with the debate afterwards. George Monbiot is making an appearance.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2010/nov/02/channel-4-green-documentary

Anyone catch John, 2 Jags, Prescott on the Today program this morning trying to resurrect the carbon case?
Unfortunately I only tuned in for the last minute but hypocracy was the first word that sprang to mind.

Finally read HSI. Irritating to find an error in the foreword. Did RealClimate miss it? You states that you got 30000 hits in 3 days. That comes out to ten per minute, not ten per second. Also, in Britain is smelt used as an equivalent of smelled? 'smelt a rat' doesn't look right to me.

Overall, loved the book. I found Chapter 2 too dull, though of course it is necessary. The overall book is a level below Caspar and the Jesus paper in my opinion as far as maintaining a dramatic pace.

And yet another nail in the coffin!

Why the United Nations (UN) climate change talks are now largely irrelevant By Louise Gray, Environment Correspondent The Telegraph

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/8105844/Why-the-United-Nations-UN-climate-change-talks-are-now-largely-irrelevant.html

But please don't stop there, check out all the comments to the article it's an exquisite crème brûlée after a rib eye steak. Bring on the Irish coffee we are just about done here.