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@stewgreen 1:25
I find that my patience, civility and respect for other people's opinions have limits. There have been times where I have simply walked away from discussions because the participants have displayed willful ignorance on a staggering scale and won't go the extra few yards to evidence their claims - volume gets substituted for veracity :-) Then there have been moments where I've stayed and slayed...
Pursuing those people is usually pointless and likely is a form of self harm.... You won't get those 5 hours back.
@ACK Have you read Abi Wilkinson's piece? ... I won't get my 5 minutes back :-)
tomo
@lapogus +1 Wow proper comedy ..suprised cos I thought SNL would only do LeftMobpropaganda
...share widely
Your Monbiot comment belongs on here on Paul's acticle about the guy who says only 10 years left
The way to comment in the Guardian is to be like SupportOurLefty who says what he wants so incredibly sarcastically, that the Guardian moderators take it literally and don't delete it.
stewgreen
IAPOGUS. As a Guardian Reader (but not much this week) I can confidently claim that Monbiot is a class 1, grade A purveyor of tripe-ology.
ACK
stewgreen - echo chamber aka the bubble:
lapogus
More alarmist bollocks from George Monbiot (only 60 years of harvests left before global soils are depleted apparently):
The 13 impossible crises that humanity now faces
e.g.:
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10. The Paris climate agreement trashed
National climate change programmes bear no connection to the commitments governments made at Paris. Even if these programmes are fully implemented (they won’t be), they set us on a climate-change trajectory way beyond that envisaged by the agreement. And this is before we know what Trump will do.11. … and the effects on migration
One of the many impacts of climate breakdown – aside from such minor matters as the inundation of cities, the loss of food production and curtailment of water supplies – will be the mass movement of people, to an extent that dwarfs current migration. The humanitarian, political and military implications are off the scale.12. … with just 60 harvests left
According to the UN food and agriculture organisation, at current rates of soil loss we have 60 years of harvests left.13. … an accelerating extinction crisis...
I can't bring myself to comment, as I know most Guardian readers refuse to look at any evidence / facts which are contrary to their worldview, and because in any case anything I write will soon be deleted.
lapogus
@Pcar, @Tomo et al... The world is full of strange people
I've just been in a discussion with people who will spend 5 hours shouting at me that the BBC and Guardian are excellent and then sling smears at Breitbart and Guido dismissing them as evil. Yet they won't spend the 2 minutes it takes to check the Twitter feeds for BreitbartLondon and Guido to see what news they put out.
For the second day in a row Guido has debunked a major UK newspaper headline
Today it's about that famous "Brexiteer" Jeremy Clarkson front page of the New European.
Like Climate ..people would rather live in an echo chamber whilst shouting abuse at people outside.
stewgreen
BBC Radio 2, Ian Duncan Smith just had a go at the incorrect economic forecasts, AND had a go at the BBC for their part in promoting bad forecasts.
golf charlie
ACK, I think that colony of Demurs still runs wild around the Railway Cuttings in East Cheam.
golf charlie
golfCharlie. No, I prefer Demure lesser spotteds from East Cheam.
ACK
stewgreen - I sent the The Bubble video to my brother who lives in NYC - he replied:
I like the idea of the using sarcasm to get comments past the Grauniad mods...