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The domestic and reputational repercussions for the 'Merkans if a tale of screw up and technical inadequacy hit the streets would be painful.
I hadn't heard the 30 knot ship thing before. Given the state of radar at the time it's not beyond the bounds of possibility that that target had been actually generated by the US ship electronically.....
This book on the US Navy is umm... interesting....
TinyCO2 +1 - I was incommunicado in a remote part of SE Asia at the time and simply amazed at the emotional incontinence in the media I experienced when I returned 4 weeks later.... You are dead right Charles is a real snowflake.
tomo
Sep 4, 2017 at 9:19 AM | tomo
The Israeli Defence Forces were apparently tracking the movement of a ship travelling at 30+ knots, in an area where a "hostile" warship was the only logical explanation. The USS Liberty could not have managed 15 knots. The Pilots were looking for a hostile ship, well aware that it might be "false flagged". The USS Liberty, a spy ship gathering intelligence, was in an area it had been told to get out of.
Was there ever a ship in the area doing 30+ knots?
golf charlie
PCar "Was Diana the first snowflake?"
No, more of an old fashioned idiot. She was raised to be a brood mare and won what seemed to be prince Charming. She discovered he was an unfaithful git before they even got married but was too weak, too dumb and too pressured back out. When she got cast iron proof he was being unfaithful she took her revenge by sleeping around. She hurt herself more than she hurt him. The mawkish grieving over her death is however sickening since it was largely the same nosy media and public that caused her death in the first place. The people who think Charles had the power to have her assasinated are real conspiracy theorists.
Charles on the other hand ... Didn't have the guts to marry the woman he wanted but did marry the virgin that had been picked out for him. He didn't want anything to ruffle his cushy lifestyle that came courtesy of his Mummy. He fully expected Diana to turn a blind eye to his infidelity (not so discrete that nobody knew about it, including Diana). He's not even a very good husband to Camila. Now he's got her, the excitement has worn off. When they're out together, it's like she's not there. He's totally out of touch with the real world. He worries more about trivialities than real problems. He ignores the rule that the monarch shouldn't interfere with politics and arrogantly assumes that politicians should do things his way. A spoilt, if neglected child, who turned into a spoilt adult with waaay too much self opinion and few discernable skills for the job he's in. He's waiting for his parents to die so he can live the life he feels he's owed but hasn't really worked for. Sounds just like a snow flake to me.
TinyCO2
As for the USS Liberty - the record appears to indicate that it was ordered to be at least 100nm from the coast but didn't receive the order - it isn't difficult to imagine a scenario where the the 'Merkan chain of command assured the Israelis that the vessel had been instructed thus etc... HF radio, morse code ... it was 1967 - I recall ships in the late 1970s having difficulty making contact via HF. Jamming HF radio isn't difficult and likely would have been ongoing in the area at the time.
In the blizzard of connectivity that is mundane these days people have forgotten that smoke signals via HF radio were all you had back then. The human appetite for cover up was as well developed back then as it is today though....
tomo
11:12 PM | clipe
Thanks for that link to climateaudit.
The stink from the Democrats isn't diminishing is it? So they found "the leak" but didn't actually stop it .... and blamed it on "doze wikkid wushins" - way to go eh?
The MSM for the most part would not I think have let the Repuplicans escape as lightly. The FBI's Comey exonerating Hillary *before* interviewing her *and* without actually inspecting the server at issue looks to be being studiously ignored in the meejah - who it seems to me aren't keen at all to distinguish between the various escapes of damaging information from the Democrat camp and their cronies.
tomo
@stewgreen, Sep 2, 2017 at 10:51 PM
@PCar this is not made up
Today's BBCWoman's Hour Princess Diana and her impact on black womenSo BBC Woman's Hour is saying your reaction to Princess Diana depends upon your skin colour
...em that's RACISM
BBC.R4.Woman's.Hour.Princess.Diana.And.Her.Impact.On.Black.Women.DAB-Pcar
BBC Feminist PC self-affirming "debate" with no dissenters - typical BBC biased breach of charter unbalanced broadcast.
BBC: Why did she have a particular appeal to black women?
Black USA Woman: She was a Disney [like] Princess...and was bad
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BBC: A Victim of her husbands infidelity [privately/discretely with Camilla only]
Pcar: What about Diana's? She behaved like a slut and had public flings/sex with multiple men before and after divorce.
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BBC: Who has replaced her [Diana]
Woman: Nobody
Pcar: Thank you God, one was more than enough
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BBC: Nation was crying/grieving
No it wasn't Mrs Pcar, Pcar, Pcar's mum, my friends... were not. We were looking at them saying "you're mawkish behaviour is insane" - now it has a description: Grief Whore.
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Opportunity missed: fasten seatbelt to survive crash, or die like Diana did. Bodyguard fastened seatbelt and only survivor.
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Was Diana the first snowflake?
Pcar
DuckDuckGoed "USS Liberty attack"
Picked the below link to read first.
clipe
https://climateaudit.org/2017/09/02/email-dates-in-the-wikileaks-dnc-archive/
Yesterday, Scott Ritter published a savage and thorough critique of the role of Dmitri Alperovitch and Crowdstrike, who are uniquely responsible for the attribution of the DNC hack to Russia. Ritter calls it “one of the greatest cons in modern American history”. Ritter’s article gives a fascinating account of an earlier questionable incident in which Alperovitch first rose to prominence – his attribution of the “Shady Rat” malware to the Chinese government at a time when there was a political appetite for such an attribution. Ritter portrays the DNC incident as Shady Rat 2. Read the article.My post today is a riff on a single point in the Ritter article, using analysis that I had in inventory but not written up. I’ve analysed the dates of the emails in the Wikileaks DNC email archive: the pattern (to my knowledge) has never been analysed. The results are a surprise – standard descriptions of the incident are misleading.
clipe
On Saturday FOOC
"Harriet Constable, who reports from Kenya on the increasingly violent and costly incidence of sand harvesting"
She seemed to think that there is going to be a world shortage of sand
I thought I heard her going on about Chinese villages having no water , cos all the sand had been taken from the river bed and the water disappeared cos there was now nothing to hold it , just "bare bedrock"
..though I see the blurb claims she was talking only about Kenya
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ah yes she has a BBC Magazaine piece also
"Sand is infinite, surely. And yet the world is running out."
About Dubai, she claims they get sand from Australia : "The irony: sand has become such a precious commodity it is literally being sold to the Arabs"
The long piece ends
"While I watched and wondered whether sand could soon become the stuff of distant childhood memories, others around me had more pressing concerns.
For them, sand could mean the difference between eating and going hungry, whether they'd have drinking water or not, or whether they'd ever see their loved ones again."
bit dramaqueeny ?
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Ha look how in August she (& Rachel Reed) sold the same story and photos to aljazeera.com here
stewgreen
Sep 4, 2017 at 11:20 AM | tomo
From this source of dubious repute:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Liberty_incident
If there was a ship there, whose was it? Not Israeli or Egyptian, US? UK? USSR? French? The USS Liberty was spying in a warzone as a non combatant, and the US Navy claims it was told to get out.
If the Liberty had an escort vessel, it might have been a Destroyer or similar capable of 30+knots.
The 30+knot unidentified vessel may simply be another part of the cover-up.
I think the attempts to cover-up the cock-ups by both sides have driven the conspiracy theories.