@AK, May 31, 2018 at 6:04 PM & GC

1.but outside a courthouse, before the trial is fully concluded seems hardly appropriate
No, the trial was over.
TR was not impeding or prejudicing the case that had already been concluded and it was simply a sentencing court awaiting verdicts.
https://altnewsmedia.net/general/a-travesty-of-justice-tommy-robinson/

Travesty - yes

2. Again: you anti-TR ignore police & court lying to TR's solicitor and reps, denying him access to his solicitor, police & judge collusion (on record) before arrest.

As KFM highlighted - none so blind as those that will not see.

Which monkey are you?

May 31, 2018 at 11:50 PM | Pcar

1. When you sat in Youth Courts, were trials over when you said so, or when somebody out on the street said so?

Reporting Restrictions had been imposed. Unless there is an issue of National Security, this can be to protect and shield defendants, witnesses AND jurors, from outside interference including the media. Tommy Robinson was broadcasting live, despite warnings that this would be Contempt of Court. As the Jury was unlikely to reach verdicts that day, how long is it reasonable to detain jurors without access to friends, family and the media? Have the Jurors now reported all verdicts?

2. How was Tommy Robinson prevented from gaining access to HIS solicitor? Would that be the same solicitor that he failed to listen to at his last trial, or was that the solicitor who told him that he could avoid Contempt of Court, by not being in the Court? Would his own solicitor have been able to prove he had not been broadcasting live, about the Court Case, from outside the Court?

I presume the Judge had to instruct/order the Police to arrest Tommy Robinson. Is that the "collusion" you refer to? I have already expressed my opinion that some form of contingency plan probably existed before the trial started, and Tommy Robinson was careful to announce his presence and intentions.

Do you rely on the same legal expertise now, as you did in Youth Court?

Which Monkey are you?

May 31, 2018 at 9:15 PM | tomo

Agreed.

I was at University during the Miner's Strike. I learned that Politicians will do and say whatever necessary to keep their own job, and career prospects.

Karl Marx didn't change anything, because the antics, including self centred and self righteous behaviour of the extreme Left and Right were hard to distinguish, then, now and before. They do tend to have a different dress sense and costume department though. They were most vicious towards those they decided had deserted their cause.

Student Union Politics was all about "National Issues" and rehearsing for constituency selection, so even the moderates ignored the actual issues of concern to the students they claimed to represent.

Not much has changed.

May 31, 2018 at 6:04 PM | Supertroll

I think Lewandowsky has enough material for an EU funded Paper blaming Tommy Robinson for all those dissatisfied with the EU, whether they live in the EU or not.

Labour, devoid of Jewish support, are celebrating the Conservatives concern about Islamophobia. The Liberals don't want anything to do with hating anybody, but don't understand why nobody knows what there is to like about them. No one knows the identity of anyone who may lead UKIP this week, and the Greens can't work out a sustainable way of keeping wholemeal lentil sandwiches fresh without plastic, but at least the BBC will give them a free advert.

A week really is a long time in politics, when everything is so dull and boring.

England's Test Match Cricketers provide a comedy moment or two. Perhaps they will blame bl••dy foreigners for beating them at their own game, on their own soil?

That's what I care about, not the views of some hair-splitting barrister or the slightly snobby TR is thick crowd.

May 31, 2018 at 4:50 PM | Rhoda Klapp

I care about those that have given evidence in Court. Some of them have been ignored and forgotten about for years. Hopefully they have been taken seriously, won't have to repeat themselves, and can try and move on with their damaged lives.

The only hair splitting has come from those clutching at straws trying to defend TR's stupidity. He, and others here and elsewhere, thought he was immune from committing "Contempt of Court" if he was outside Court property when he broadcast.

His geographical location was irrelevant, but it certainly saved Police overtime in looking for him.

Local Council Tax payers can be grateful for the diligence he demonstrated, by checking with Officers first.

This also confirms that he chose to ignore some bits of the Law, specific to HIM, concerning Contempt of Court, whilst respecting /observing other bits.

He is in prison because of his own reckless stupidity. I don't believe he has a low IQ.

I know nothing of TR, but I do the political party for which he stands and its predecessor (which I fought long ago in East London as an undergraduate). And my inclinations are, on principle, to oppose. IF the official reaction has been to suppress him, this needn't be to cover up a problem of Islam in the UK and, need not be a bad thing, merely the prevention of deliberate mischief being done by a known rabble-rouser. There may be a time and space for rabble rousing, but outside a courthouse, before the trial is fully concluded seems hardly appropriate (if I read these "facts" correctly).

TinyCO2's flawless people of integrity and clean record are notably absent. Their heads remain below the parapet. Brave or foolhardy, villain or angel, TR at least speaks up about the problems. He is not silenced by the things which might silence me or you. The official reaction, to suppress him and cover up the problem of Islam in the UK, is not a good thing. We should not wait for the flawless people. They are not in evidence. The MSM too is silent on the freedom aspects, the incipient fascism of what is going on. That's what I care about, not the views of some hair-splitting barrister or the slightly snobby TR is thick crowd.

Whether such people exist is another thing and if they do would they be fundamentally odd like JRM? Can odd people reach the top?

May 31, 2018 at 2:16 PM | TinyCO2

Winston Churchill was seen by many as an oddball liability over 2-3 decades. Then he became Prime Minister due to conflict with Europe, that others thought they had appeased. He successfully resolved the immediate conflict and was then dumped by the UK Electorate.

Other than "BREXIT means BREXIT" (whether hard boiled, soft boiled or half baked) it is difficult to know what May wants, as there are so many forces trying to undermine BREXIT, many at the expense of Taxpayers, and some even being paid to facilitate BREXIT.

Should May go, JRM would be an ideal replacement. He has an "Action This Day" attitude, but this would not guarantee him a majority in the House of Commons. May currently has to rely on appeasement.