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EM:

Computer-based climate models are unable to replicate the observed warming unless human greenhouse gas emissions are included.
Oh dear. Here we go again. When one compares the observed warming temps against the models the models run a darn sight hotter. Not one model has shown the pause in the last 18/20 years. Last year's El Nino was a Godsend for your tribe.

Anyway, what you are saying is that only scientists can interview/question other scientists. So you would sack all BBC interviewers on the grounds that they are not qualified in the fields of the people (MPs et al) they interview. Ridiculous, and very arrogant.

May 19, 2016 at 9:11 PM | Unregistered CommenterHarry Passfield

M Courtney

Multiple lines of evidence support attribution of recent climate change to human activities:

A basic physical understanding of the climate system: greenhouse gas concentrations have increased and their warming properties are well-established. Past and present behaviour of the system match the physics.

Historical estimates of past climate changes suggest that the recent changes in global surface temperature are unusual.

Computer-based climate models are unable to replicate the observed warming unless human greenhouse gas emissions are included.

Natural forces alone (such as solar and volcanic activity) cannot explain the observed warming.

You would have claimed that the physical evidence, observationns and trends used to attribute the current warming to CO2 cannot be extrapolated to project the future behaviour of the climate system?

Hopefully the presenter and Ms Edwards would have been polite enough not to laugh at such nonsense

May 19, 2016 at 9:03 PM | Unregistered CommenterEntropic man

EM: If I was facing Tamsin? You don't need science to ask the 'hows' and 'whys' of a theory. Tamsin claimed she had evidence: she didn't, it was model output. She claimed the seas are rising: she didn't specify and was not asked, over what period? (Don't need a science degree to ask that, do I?). She claimed that El Nino was probably only 10% of the recent warming, implying man-made was the other 90%: but was not asked for citations. She claimed there were all sorts of predictions (she used that word) ranging from mild SL/T increases to Armageddon: where were the predictions based on the possibility of an extended La Nina? It was heap big warmy-warmy all the way down through the rising seas: no alternative.

Then again, I guess you didn't listen to the program. I figure even you would have questions to ask if you had.Scientific or otherwise.

May 19, 2016 at 8:33 PM | Unregistered CommenterHarry Passfield

GC, 6:28pm:

As my (female) boss used to say of her platinum blonde, female boss; when the latter had one of her, frequent, foot in mouth moments; it looks like the peroxide has penetrated her skull again.

May 19, 2016 at 8:19 PM | Registered CommenterSalopian

I though it spelt it out.
The untestable is not a scientific argument.
Therefore it should be opposed in the same way that we oppose astrology (also not a scientific argument).

It should be tolerated and ignored. Let people have their fun.
Astrology and Climatology are very entertaining to those who want to believe.
But we shouldn't use them to make policy.

We need testable, scientific knowledge for that.

May 19, 2016 at 8:17 PM | Registered CommenterM Courtney

M Courtney

The question remains. What scientific case could you have produced as a counter argument?

May 19, 2016 at 8:04 PM | Unregistered CommenterEntropic man

Entropic man, I heard the interview and thought it was hilarious.

The key point being that no predictions could be tested - natural variations overwhelm all. At least in the observable time periods.
Tamsin was right when she said that we can't determine what effect El Nino is having and what anything else is doing.
We just have to wait a century and then things will be as the models predict.

It was analogous to the difference between Astronomy and Astrology.
Astrology also makes no testable predictions. We just have to accept that we will meet the Tall Dark Stranger eventually but we can't possibly know when or where. Just like Climatology.

And not like Astronomy. Because Astronomy is not pseudo-science.

May 19, 2016 at 7:47 PM | Registered CommenterM Courtney

Harry Passfield

And no balancing POV to challenge the points made.

If you were facing Tamsin Edwards on Inside Science today, what would you have said?

May 19, 2016 at 7:22 PM | Unregistered CommenterEntropic man

golf charlie makes an interesting point. There are fewer better examples in popular music during the 1980s of this phenomenon than the beat combo Duran Duran and their premonition of thermageddon in the song "Wild Boys"

The wild boys are calling
On their way back from the fire
In august moon's surrender to
A dust cloud on the rise.

May 19, 2016 at 7:00 PM | Unregistered Commenterottokring

Alan Kendall coral bleaching has been the emergency catastrophe, fortuitously rediscovered, during Global Warming's unprecedented darkest hour.

The allure of bleaching to humans, male and female, was best demonstrated by Marilyn Monroe, (born in 1926, the same year as HM Queen Elizabeth) who died in 1962, but it is worth noting that the mass cultural acceptance and popularity of the bleached look in the late 80s and 90s coincided with a rise in global temperature. Most climate scientists with nothing better to do than read thermometers, were male at the time. Further conclusions about what temperature they were measuring should not be drawn, without a lot of taxpayer funding.

Since Mann's Hockey Stick, temperatures have stabilised, but it is too early to conclude a link to his non-bleached look, however he does not look likely to have as much fun for years to come.

May 19, 2016 at 6:28 PM | Unregistered Commentergolf charlie

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