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Interesting contrasting papers quoted today by Anthony Watts and by P Gosselin – NoTricksZone.
Gosselin showing a paper predicting a new solar maximum in 2013 and Watts showing two sources stating that the cycles have actually shut down altogether ---> solar minimum soon ^.^

Jul 4, 2012 at 8:03 PM | Unregistered CommenterDung

Is anybody else sceptical about the Higgs Boson discovery announced by CERN?

When I first encountered CAGW I was sceptical - I later became a hard-line "denier".

When I heard about CERN's announcement of superluminal neutrinos I intuitively knew it was nonsense. Once bitten, twice shy.

I have never liked the standard model - I find other alternatives much more plausible (eg. MOND).

I am probably just a grumpy old man, but I have come to distrust this meeja science.

Jul 4, 2012 at 7:50 PM | Unregistered CommenterRoger Longstaff

“Milton Keynes Council faces legal fees threat over wind turbine ruling”

“A PEOPLE power policy to protect residents from the noise of wind turbines could end up costing Milton Keynes Council hundreds of thousands of pounds in legal fees.

For energy giants RWE npower are this week threatening to sue the council over its minimum distance ruling.

Milton Keynes is one of the first councils in the country to impose a ban on massive turbines being built less than 1.2 kilometres away from housing.”

RWE bosses, who want to put 17 wind turbines on two different local sites, claim the ban is unlawful and contrary to the Government’s national policy to produce green energy whenever possible.

The company’s lawyers have written to the council saying the 1.2 kilometre rule has ‘no rational basis’ and should be ‘accorded no weight’.

In a barely veiled threat, they state the council would risk a ‘considerable burden to the public purse’ in legal fees if it did not take back its decision.

The letter has infuriated city MP Mark Lancaster, who voted in favour of the Localism Act because it empowered local authorities to make their own decisions.

“I am deeply concerned and opposed to a large multinational business trying to undermine the wishes of residents by threatening the council with legal action.””

Jul 4, 2012 at 7:18 PM | Registered CommenterGreen Sand


Jul 4, 2012 at 7:05 PM | Unregistered CommenterStuck-record

Interesting - I thought Fenton was the out-of-control labrador in this video. Mind you ...

Jul 4, 2012 at 4:19 PM | Registered CommenterRobin Guenier


Thanks for that fascinating statement from ExxonMobil's CEO..... but don't you know we are all evil tools of big fossil fuel plutocrats if we believe a word of it??

I'm not confident (yet) about such finality as you express, I think the CAGW religion is deeply entrenched and is going to be morphed into this "sustainability" religion of Rio-20 which is just the larger context.

I did also find it most interesting that a questioner at the CFR event identified himself as "David Fenton" before launching into the CAGW spiel (a toned down version for someone like Fenton, who is the radical propaganda guru for much CAGW nonsense in North America):

David Fenton at Council on Foreign Relations event

QUESTIONER: Hi, I'm David Fenton (ph).

Mr. Tillerson, I want to talk about science and risk, and I agree with you that's the way we must proceed. So, as you know, it's a basic fact of physics that CO2 traps heat, and too much CO2 will mean it will get too hot, and we will face enormous risks as a result of this not only to our way of life, but to the world economy. It will be devastating: The seas will rise, the coastlines will be unstable for generations, the price of food will go crazy. This is what we face, and we all know it.

Now -- so my question for you is since we all know this knowledge, we're a little in denial of it. You know, if we burn all these reserves you've talked about, you can kiss future generations good-bye. And maybe we'll find a solution to take it out of the air. But, as you know, we don't have one. So what are you going to do about this? We need your help to do something about this.

Jul 4, 2012 at 3:51 PM | Registered CommenterSkiphil

So - just in case anybody is wondering what the final nail in the coffin looks like:

Tillerson doesn’t think global warming is a massive issue. “I’m not disputing that increasing CO2 emissions in the atmosphere is going to have an impact. It’ll have a warming impact.” But what is nearly impossible to predict, he says, is how dire the consequences will be.

NEW YORK — ExxonMobil CEO Rex Tillerson says fears about climate change, drilling, and energy dependence are overblown.

Tillerson blamed a public that is "illiterate" in science and math, a "lazy" press, and advocacy groups that "manufacture fear" for energy misconceptions in a speech at the Council on Foreign Relations.

Tillerson, in a break with predecessor Lee Raymond, has acknowledged that global temperatures are rising. "Clearly there is going to be an impact," he said Wednesday.

But he questioned the ability of climate models to predict the magnitude of the impact.

Tillerson just happens to think that climate change researchers are, well, overstating things a bit, with the aid and collusion of the fear-mongering media.

Rising sea levels? Melting polar caps? Disappointing crop yields? Sure, some folks on the coasts might get a little water in the basement, but so what?

"Our ability to predict, with any accuracy, what the future's going to be is really pretty limited," Tillerson said in a response to a question, after delivering an upbeat speech on "The New North American Energy Paradigm" to the Council on Foreign Relations yesterday. "We have spent our entire existence adapting, okay? So we will adapt to this. Changes to weather patterns that move crop production areas around -- we'll adapt to that. It's an engineering problem, and it has engineering solutions."

Coffin built. Job done.

Jul 4, 2012 at 12:01 PM | Registered Commentermatthu

Wiltshire Council recently passed a motion to add to the Core Strategy to ensure wind farms, if developed, are placed at minimum distances from properties depending on the size of the turbines. There was a recorded vote. There is a positive policy about other microgeneration, but wind turbines are extremely contentious and I have yet to meet anyone that wants them (apart from the Wiltshire Wildlife Trust who are greenies through and through).

The comments on the Guardian page are fairly typical. Looking at the article, it would seem like a LibDem press release trying to recover their position when they were well and truly outmanoeuvred by the Conservatives at the Council meeting.

Jul 4, 2012 at 11:14 AM | Unregistered CommenterGrumpy

Jul 3, 2012 at 10:55 PM James Evans

Yes, the hollow boasting of Met Office publications can often provoke a sad smile. For example...

Man made climate change means that the past will not be a good indicator for the future. Forecasts for the next season, year and decade will take on a higher priority. In particular, our ability to forecast extreme climate events a season ahead will enable vital short term actions to be taken.

[Climate research at the Met Office Hadley Centre - Informing Government policy into the future (2007).]

Jul 4, 2012 at 10:10 AM | Registered CommenterMartin A

Every now and then I like to return to the following publication, just for a giggle:

It just keeps on giving. The level of hubristic stoopid on display never disappoints.

Here are some of the terrible terrible facts that the experts have gleaned from their almost godlike understanding of reality:

"• As summers become warmer and drier droughts are more likely, particularly in the South East."

Compare with boring old reality:

"Last month was the UK's wettest June since records began in 1910, provisional Met Office figures show."

Back to the Met Office comedy fest:

"• Average winter rainfall is set to increase, potentially causing more flooding."

Dull old reality again:

"But with the possibility of a third dry winter in a row this year, the firm urged its customers to continue to use water wisely, reiterating its offer of free water-saving devices that can be ordered on the company website."

I really don't know how all those evil fossil fuel lobbyists manage to delude so many innocent people into being denialistalisers.

Jul 3, 2012 at 10:55 PM | Unregistered CommenterJames Evans

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