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Robin

They'd have to be unusually dense to think any of us have expressed views that doubt AGW.
They don’t make the distinction. They have no argument against Lawson’s point (and yours) that the proposed mitigation measures are ineffective, which is why your comments probably make them more comfortable than mine. So they lump us all together and say we’re “denying the science”.
I suspect that Alice reads this thread and other comments we’ve made, and sees us as an organised conspiracy to take over her thread(s). Sweet Gaia, it’s not our fault if no-one talks to us and we end up turning NLP into BishopHill 2.0!
Alice’s article finishes with a link to Monbiot’s famous article on astroturfing. It was a comment of mine that provoked Monbiot to that peculiar outburst. If she takes that route, my sweet reasonableness will melt like an iceflow beneath a polar bear on heat and Rhoda will be embarrassed to know me. Hell hath no fury like an elderly white male scorned.

Jan 17, 2013 at 12:18 AM | Registered Commentergeoffchambers

No slammer ... I believe that the Court may have made an order forbidding any further reporting of this case under S39 of CYPA and if so, it follows that we should not expect any news for some while.

You may remember that a while ago there had been speculation in the news that a mobile phone may have been seized by police as possible evidence of a crime and this may be related to the recent court order. But I know nothing ...

Jan 16, 2013 at 11:47 PM | Registered Commentermatthu

geoffchambers
I love it too, although did find Chariots of The Gods a bit too far fetched. We tend to dismiss or assign to an external power the achievements of our predecessors too quickly; we think we're the first to make/think/invent something, and having unprecedented weather. It's more than likely it's happened before.

Jan 16, 2013 at 11:26 PM | Unregistered CommenterSandyS

I saw Vicky Price at the IPPR last night - case continueing?

Jan 16, 2013 at 10:53 PM | Unregistered CommenterBarry Woods

Has Huhne been sent to the slammer?

Jan 16, 2013 at 10:24 PM | Unregistered CommenterBrent Hargreaves

I always thought that NLP stood for Neuro Linguistic Programming.

Jan 16, 2013 at 10:12 PM | Registered CommenterMartin A

Fascinating reading you guys talking about NLP.

I guess I should be a more inclusive person and engage with the deluded but, as I said before, having had my first and only comment blocked, I decided that engagement is a two way process. Censorship as the first tool to reach for is a fascist construct.

It seems NLP believe that being left is the only way (and the only people who care for others) and that AGW (and CAGW is the only useful kind to generate taxes) is an absolute truth. I would argue that the data of the last two decades has tested both ideas to destruction.

As I said before on another thread and in the deleted comment at NLP, it bothers me when any point of view left/right AGW/Sceptic censors an opposing view - obviously abuse is, as at BH, not acceptable.

E.G. - try going to Greenpeace meeting in the last ten years and telling them that Bio-fuels are a bad idea. All you got was abuse and now what are they saying?? To belong to any outfit you are supposed to shut your brain down and do as your told.

I align my views with rhoda

Jan 16, 2013 at 8:55 PM | Registered Commenterretireddave

For those who are interested in the history of IPCC ARs past, Bernie Lewin has another excellent post. Something I hadn't known (which he recounts in his post) is that, initially, there was no WG3.

Also interesting, in this first of two Parts, is that the fact-free "misinformation ... big coal" meme was active even in the IPCC defenders' early days:

When the controversy was over and the Report publish[ed], David Pearce, the coordinating lead author, remained insulted and perplexed that their expert assessment could be called into question by the government delegations due to the confused and spurious reasoning of this enthusiastic outsider with his ‘silly campaign of misinformation and abuse.’ In fact, to his dying day, Pearce remained convinced not only that Meyer served the interests of the coal lobby, but that they were funding the whole absurd charade.

Enter the Economists: The Price of Life and how the IPCC only just survived the other chapter controversy

Jan 16, 2013 at 8:51 PM | Registered CommenterHilary Ostrov

Telegraph: Shale gas is not a game-changer for the UK, says BP

This might give a reason for making that statement ;-)

Jan 16, 2013 at 6:13 PM | Unregistered CommenterJiminy Cricket

lapogus
Good comment at NLP. I hadn’t even noticed the article.
Barry does a brilliant job of notifying some of us of new developments, interesting articles to comment at etc with a kind of informal chain letter, if anyone’s interested.
SandyS
It’s snowing near Narbonne on the Mediterranean too. I love Menzies’ China-discovered-the-world book, but don’t tell anyone. It’s one of those nutty theories climate deniers are attracted to.
Paul Matthews
You’re obviously much too young to remember the (pacifist) battle hymn of the anti-Vietnam war movement
Rhoda

you'd have to give them [NLP] a load of education before you could even engage. And that is with them putting thir fingers in their ears and going lalalalalalalalala. There is no chance of a dialogue there, in my judgement.
At least they’ll learn that we’re not all Chris Moncktons, not mad or bad or stupid. Drop a reference to BishopHill or other blogs and maybe they’ll get curious. Barry, Alex, PaulM Robin, Jeremy Poynton, me and others have been quite effective I think on two threads at NLP and two at the NewStatesman. There was no opposition, no counterargument at all.
Intellectuals read these things. Sooner or later one of them will make some tentative effort to question the consensus. It happened once at Prospect with the favourable review of tHSI, once at the New Statesman with David Whitehouse, and once at TES (or TLS?) with philosopher Martin Cohen. One little crack, and maybe the dam will break.

Jan 16, 2013 at 4:05 PM | Registered Commentergeoffchambers

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