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Sandy S and Martin A,

IIRC, Spain is in the top 4-5 countries on earth for amount of installed wind turbine capacity (theoretical), and has also had one of the more perverse subsidy incentive systems which did encourage operators to feed more power to the grid via diesel generators etc. Don't have time to search for links right now but I think I read about that....... that some number of wind operators there install diesel generators b/c they can make money feed any power into the grid. They are now rolling back the subsidies b/c the country is broke, but I don't know if they can reverse existing subsidies or only for new installations?? ..... Anyone know for sure?

Mar 16, 2013 at 2:27 AM | Registered CommenterSkiphil

I'm now puzzled as to why Spain should generate between 3 and 10 times as much from wind as either France or the UK. Spain is never given as the country with lots of installed wind.
Mar 15, 2013 at 10:43 PM SandyS

Does Spain have many diesel powered wind generators?

Mar 16, 2013 at 12:21 AM | Registered CommenterMartin A

@Alex Cull
Thanks, just scrolled back a couple pages, I have a link to the French Electrical generation in real time now.

I'm now puzzled as to why Spain should generate between 3 and 10 times as much from wind as either France or the UK. Spain is never given as the country with lots of installed wind.

Mar 15, 2013 at 10:43 PM | Unregistered CommenterSandyS

Super article.

I wouldn't give credit to Mr Morningstar for 'avatar'. It is a Sanskrit word.

Mar 15, 2013 at 10:00 PM | Registered Commentershub

Tropical rainforests WILL survive global warming

It [a British-led study of rain forests] found that tropical forests are more likely to survive global warming than previously thought, (assuming that it hasn't already ended, of course!)

Mar 15, 2013 at 9:39 PM | Registered CommenterRobert Christopher

This is from the latest Climategate titbit at WUWT. (No point in commenting there - everything gets lost, and their clocks are nine hours out).
Briffa to Fred Pearce:

Incidentally, a pedantic point, but where you refer to a tree with rings about 30 microns wide being equivelent to a tree increasing its GIRTH by one centimetre in 100 years, should this not be 2 cms? Assuming the tree has a starting diameter of about 15 cm , after 100 years its diameter will be 15.6 cm (the rings occur on both sides of the tree).

Well spotted Keith! Apparently Fred hadn’t worked out that the rings go right round the tree..

Mar 15, 2013 at 7:57 PM | Registered Commentergeoffchambers

My pleasure. I knew as soon as I read it who might appreciate it!

His writing style reminds me of our host's - both express themselves eloquently in relatively simple terms, while the academics and their hangers-on use as many syllables as possible...

Mar 15, 2013 at 7:56 PM | Registered Commenterjamesp

Thanks, jamesp - nice one!

Mar 15, 2013 at 7:21 PM | Unregistered CommenterAlex Cull

Thanks for the correction. Every time I comment about France I make a silly mistake. I also got the name of the book wrong. It’s “Le Fou et le Prolétaire”.

Mar 15, 2013 at 5:58 PM | Registered Commentergeoffchambers


That's a wonderful document - I shall treasure it.

There is, I think, a parallel with our climate alarmist friends. They have been living in their own world (I initially wrote "little world" but thought better of it - it may be a closed world, but it's not little) with their own little certainties (and their own silly jargon) for many years. But now - really for the first time - they're facing reality: that their "solutions" don't actually work. And they don't have the tools (an open mind, familiarity with uncertainty, willingness to learn, etc.) that would enable them to cope with that.

It would be amusing if it weren't so serious.

I started my professional life as a commercial lawyer working in an engineering context. I quickly learned that, to get things done, both I and the engineers had to abandon our "trade" jargon. It made me a better lawyer. And I think it made them better engineers. Although, to be fair, they didn't use much jargon: as CM says, engineers work in a commercial environment anyway.

Two observations:

1. The "one of three cases must apply" (paragraph 8) is amazingly similar to the "three possible views" I suggested in my email to NLP (see my post at 4:34 PM yesterday).

2. I particularly liked his concept of '"epistemologically challenged": a constitutional inability to adopt a reasonable way to tell the good stuff from the bad stuff'. It reminds me of my favourite New Yorker cartoon. Two precious-looking men are in an avant-garde art gallery - one is saying to the other, "I know everything about art, but I don't know what I like".

Thanks again.

Mar 15, 2013 at 5:13 PM | Registered CommenterRobin Guenier

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