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Don B - ta for flagging the CA post, well worth a read. Steve has closed it now, as everything has been said.

Michael Mann's ego gets the better of him again, this time the target is the NY Times for allowing Richard Muller to criticise his hockeystick.

Something Is Rotten at the New York Times, Huff Post, November 21 2013.

Nov 22, 2013 at 9:52 PM | Registered Commenterlapogus

that blog is a window into the fantasy world

Finance remains unclear. Austria, Belgium, Finland, France, Germany, Norway, Sweden, Switzerland have clubbed together to raise the US$ 100mn needed to fill the adaptation fund, but no one has been forthcoming on the more ambitious $100bn needed for the Green Climate Fund. But the word on the street is that the latest text on long term finance is more positive than many would expect, with clear indications on how donations may be scaled up in the future.
$100m so far so only 99.9% more to go

Nov 22, 2013 at 9:15 PM | Registered Commenterstewgreen

Monbiot's just been on Question time
Question was about Paul Flowers, M didn't mention Flowers but just used the Q to attack Matt Ridley "Well look we didn't punish bankers like Matt Ridley, absolute disaster that was Ridley's running of Northern Rock – that he failed to see the bank was bankrupt itself...look he now sits in the House of Lords blah blah" etc.

next week it's Sir Jonathon Porritt*, Stella Creasy MP, Baroness Susan Kramer (Minister Lib Dumb) & Lord Lamont.
* ?? will Swampy & Bianca Jagger be knighted as well ?

Nov 22, 2013 at 9:11 PM | Registered Commenterstewgreen

If anyone is really bored tonight, I thoroughly recommend this:

Warsaw climate talks: final day live blog
http://www.rtcc.org/2013/11/22/warsaw-climate-talks-final-day-live-blog/

Currently it is the Venezuelans who are being problematic. Naughty Venezuelans.

The RTCC website is very impressive. The reporting is wall to wall. But I have yet to see a single comment on any of their posts. Is anyone reading it? Must be costing a fair old whack.

BTW, when the NGOs flounced out of the conference in a huff, did anyone else notice that there were hundreds of them? I mean, there were hundreds of them. What's that about?

Nov 22, 2013 at 8:44 PM | Unregistered CommenterJames Evans

Tallbloke has a new thread on an article in today's Times which says Germans are lobbying EU for UK and other member states to have yet more windturbines -

http://tallbloke.wordpress.com/2013/11/22/berlin-tries-to-force-deal-for-wind-farm-increase/

Nov 22, 2013 at 7:30 PM | Registered Commenterlapogus

BH - The post at Climate Audit about Robert Way agreeing with scientific criticism delivered by Steve Mc, but then insulting Steve, apparently just to show he is a member of The Team, is deserving of a post.

http://climateaudit.org/2013/11/20/behind-the-sks-curtain/

Nov 22, 2013 at 7:06 PM | Unregistered CommenterDon B

Want to know how much wind energy is costing you?

The answer could well be - nobody knows!

No evidence of efficiency of turbines, says wind power firm

" A company linked to a number of wind farms in the North East appeared stumped when asked how efficient its turbines are.

RWE npower, the sister company of RWE npower renewables - the firm behind 18 125-metre engines near Alnwick - has said there is “no answer as to how efficient wind power is” when asked by a customer in Northumberland to justify part of his bill subsidising renewable energy.....

...... Mr Pringle, an npower customer, had written to the firm asking what percentage of his bill goes towards wind power and “how efficient is wind power.”

In reply, the company said: “There is no answer as to how efficient wind power (sic) so therefore we can not answer this question.”......"

Nov 22, 2013 at 2:44 PM | Registered CommenterGreen Sand

- a factor was the weekend ..so 3 days worth of counting went on in one day, still number of missing remained the same.

Nov 22, 2013 at 2:33 PM | Registered Commenterstewgreen

Taiyan Update http://www.ndrrmc.gov.ph
The sit rep climbed 1200 between this morning and tonight (Ph time) Nov22nd
Now 5,209 dead about 1,600 missing
1 million houses effected, half of which were destroyed
* Strange climb within 1 day. I am inclined the think factors effecting are
1. People dying after typhoon, who might well have died anyway (old age, pre-existing illness etc.) are probably been added (possibly cos worse casualty generates higher foreign donations)
2. Local political pressure may be to talk to the deaths down, to make local politicians lookong incomptetent in preparations.
- We heard a many times from the BBC that the death toll was over 10,000

Nov 22, 2013 at 2:01 PM | Registered Commenterstewgreen

Wow - if you think the BBCs biased reporting of Global Warming issues is outrageous then you should see Russia Today's report on fracking! Holy cow!

Nov 22, 2013 at 1:19 PM | Unregistered CommenterDave_G

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