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It is valid to view Islam as it is practiced as a religion which sits uneasily with European/Christian culture. Obviously it isn't our business what it does in the Middle East. But here, it's a problem. If only because it is a prosetylizing religion which recognises no limits, and extends to legal and political areas which are secular here.
That is a problem which if one states it even in measured terms such as I have used will invoke suppression and calls of Islamophobia (true) and racism (not).
It is my opinion that the suppression of mentioning what we can all see is because of the Dreaded White Backlash, the realization by 'the mob' that what is occurring is to their disadvantage. If we don't mention it, like the man behind the curtain, we can all just carry on like Wile E. Coyote running over the cliff. Mixed movie metaphors a speciality.
Rhoda Klapp
ST - I invited you to watch a talk by Andrew Norfolk, a highly respected Times journalist who was key in uncovering the extent and extablishment coverup of the grroming gangs. Are you also accusing Andrew Norfolk of being racist?
For the record, here's the link again if you change your mind -
GC / ST - have you watched Andrew Norfolk's account of the rape gang epidemic? https://youtu.be/ZMQXeCdL0WU. More here: https://youtu.be/pzwVnzUt87k
Please watch it and explain to me where the racist content is.
UPDATE - And apologise.
lapogus
and on other matters
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As soon as you switch on the radio, you get twisted worldviews spat in your face.
6:15am BBC radio Lincolnshire (direct to audio)
"You live close to a busy road with lots of traffic, is this a worry to you ?...."
Emily Yuni "..... they looked at 4,000 people in the UK and found a clear LINK between an exposure to higher pollution levels and higher right/left ventricles
(Bias #1 "Link" ? ..she means "correlation")
Emily :"THE PROBLEM is the study cannot prove a CAUSAL link between air pollution
.. nor whether these people will definitely go on to get hear disease, cos they didn't include all the other factors ..."
(Bias number #2 : why use the words "THE PROBLEM is "?
that makes it sound like you are desperate to pin ventricle abnormalities on Air Pollution )
Presenter "People will be worried... "
Emily "Yeh this is the problem the British Heart Foundation which co-funded the study has said this is a wake up call and the government has to ACT QUICKLY,.... cos people cannot be expected to move house to find better air quality
(#Bias #3 There should be a logical fallacy like Appeal to Haste)
Emily : ".. all the people they used in the study were not exposed to levels ABOVE UK guidelines"
(Bias #4 How can she know that ? They might do activities taking them well over guidelines: eg a combine harvester driver, glassblower, heavy dope smoke etc.)
"This suggested that THE SUPPOSED SAFE LIMITS are NOT necessarily that safe"
(Bias #5 As to the levels where they live : you are talking about air pollution levels TODAY
..doh your ventricle doesn't get enlarged cos of what happened TODAY, it will have happened over the last 10, 20, 30, 40 years so in an era of super falling air pollution, it's past air levels which are more important not today's )
Emily :"The reaction from DEFRA ..the gov has put in place a £3.5bn plan to reduce harmful emissions ..Britain will be the first"
(Government fallacy there : The fallacy of rushing to be first pioneer, means many mistakes and costs)
Emily "If you are interested in having a say the govs consultation closes on the 14th of August
..so there is still time to tell the gov what your think"
Her end take gives the motivation ? Activists want a hard gov approach, so they are getting a scare story before the deadline, and pushing you to put pressure on the gov
The government consultation with Aug 14 deadline
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"The research comes from the British Heart Foundation"
BBC Headline "Even low air pollution may damage heart"
It has open comments, until they turn they turn them off
stewgreen
@Aug 3, 2018 at 11:39 AM | Unregistered CommenterSupertrol
Sure it is Super - at it's apogee - no doubt!
Kleinefeldmaus
Iapogus. I wrote that what you were inviting me to view was racist. If you wish to associate yourself with it, so be it. Apology unnecessary.
Supertroll
Supertroll - Islam is not a race. Are you accusing me of being a racist? If you are I expect a full apology, now.
lapogus
Mailman. Why not join a Crusade? Oh pardon me you're on one.
Supertroll
GC - I am not going to spend valuable time countering all your points. Just this one:
Why was Tommy Robinson only involved in disrupting/ sabotaging trials involving one ethnic group? Why not pick on "Christians", responsible for more crimes in the UK than anyone else?
Islam is not a race, there are Asian, black and white muslims. I would suggest that TR's key problem with islam is primarily because it is a violent medieval ideology which tends to treat women and children like shit. And especially infidel women and children, who are often regarded as whores and easy meat. TR's niece was a grooming gang victim. Sadly there is now an ethnic component to this which has to be addressed: in a Quilliam survey it was found that 84% of UK "grooming gang" offenders were of 'South Asian' origin, while 'South Asians make up only of 2% of the UK population. Maajid Nawaz to his great credit nails it here: https://youtu.be/p2Qs7fOJqaA?t=12m16s.
Forgive my langauge but personally I don't give a fuck if TR or anyone else exposes and harasses convicted child-rapists outside a court. Frankly they deserve much worse. And so do the authorities who have in some cases facilitated (e.g. sending vulnerable girls from the south-east of England up to 'solo' children's homes in Rotherham) the rape gangs.
lapogus
Mailman read my post again. I am fully against rape gangs I just don't wish to be racist by specifying muslim gangs. If you wish to argue that the establishment has looked away because the gangs were muslim that's a different matter. But you will need proof of this and that will be difficult to find in the TR cases where his intention was to deliberately disrupt attempts by the establishment to prosecute muslim offenders by breaching court orders.
Supertroll
As I said that was PR not news, a good scare story to set the agenda for govt air pollution consultation
There is a BBC London Facebook post as well.