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AK "The proportion of muslims or south asians involved in gang rapes is tiny." But the attitude that supports those crimes is far from rare. Anti white, anti women opinions are common and surveys have demonstrated it. Even 2nd generation Muslim women are cosidered too westernised. Forced marriages, FGM, rape in marriage, are protected from normal censure because people are scared of being called racist. I'm not afraid to say that my culture has got a lot of things right. OK, we're not perfect but I know which societies are worse. How will we ever improve standards if we can't select and stick to certain codes? If we can all have our own culture, I'm going to belong to one that hunts down the political correct mob and sticks their head on a pike.... such behaviour would be culturally consistant with my ancestry.

ST -
The proportion of muslims or south asians involved in gang rapes is tiny.
I said stated in an earlier post, the (muslim) Quilliam Organisation.found that 84% of convicted grooming gang members were of "South Asian" origin. Maajid Nawaz explains the reality here, to the visible discomfort of the apologist talk heads on the panel: https://youtu.be/p2Qs7fOJqaA. Is Maajid a racist also?
I am still waiting for an apology.

' The proportion of muslims or south asians involved in gang rapes is tiny.'
Well that's all right then. There's only a gang in every town where that community has a foothold. Whether it is race, religion or culture doesn't matter, what matters is the suppression of discussion of it and the inaction of the proper authorities over DECADES because of,..well, some say PC but I wonder about corruption.

There appears to be some confusion about what racism is
Racism is the belief in the superiority of one race over another, which often results in discrimination and prejudice towards people based on their race or ETHNICITY.
An ethnic group, or an ethnicity, is a category of people who identify with each other based on similarities such as common ancestry, language, history, society, culture or nation.
Thus Judaism is an ethnic group regardless of race. Most jews in Israel are racially almost identical to Palestinian Arabs who therefore are semites or Abrahamic, yet prejudice against Jews oddly is considered both racist and antisemitic.
Thus when I claim that concentration upon the muslim character of rape gangs is racism, I believe I am justified. Iapogus mixes his arguments by switching his argument from the "evils" of some who practice Islam (no argument) to estimates of the proportion of gang rape activity attributed to south asians (also true). The proportion of muslims or south asians involved in gang rapes is tiny. To focus upon those individuual's ethnicity rather than upon their crimes is, in my books, racist.

As I said that was PR not news, a good scare story to set the agenda for govt air pollution consultation
There is a BBC London Facebook post as well.

It is valid to view Islam as it is practiced as a religion which sits uneasily with European/Christian culture. Obviously it isn't our business what it does in the Middle East. But here, it's a problem. If only because it is a prosetylizing religion which recognises no limits, and extends to legal and political areas which are secular here.
That is a problem which if one states it even in measured terms such as I have used will invoke suppression and calls of Islamophobia (true) and racism (not).
It is my opinion that the suppression of mentioning what we can all see is because of the Dreaded White Backlash, the realization by 'the mob' that what is occurring is to their disadvantage. If we don't mention it, like the man behind the curtain, we can all just carry on like Wile E. Coyote running over the cliff. Mixed movie metaphors a speciality.

ST - I invited you to watch a talk by Andrew Norfolk, a highly respected Times journalist who was key in uncovering the extent and extablishment coverup of the grroming gangs. Are you also accusing Andrew Norfolk of being racist?
For the record, here's the link again if you change your mind -
GC / ST - have you watched Andrew Norfolk's account of the rape gang epidemic? https://youtu.be/ZMQXeCdL0WU. More here: https://youtu.be/pzwVnzUt87k
Please watch it and explain to me where the racist content is.
UPDATE - And apologise.

and on other matters
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As soon as you switch on the radio, you get twisted worldviews spat in your face.
6:15am BBC radio Lincolnshire (direct to audio)
"You live close to a busy road with lots of traffic, is this a worry to you ?...."
Emily Yuni "..... they looked at 4,000 people in the UK and found a clear LINK between an exposure to higher pollution levels and higher right/left ventricles
(Bias #1 "Link" ? ..she means "correlation")
Emily :"THE PROBLEM is the study cannot prove a CAUSAL link between air pollution
.. nor whether these people will definitely go on to get hear disease, cos they didn't include all the other factors ..."
(Bias number #2 : why use the words "THE PROBLEM is "?
that makes it sound like you are desperate to pin ventricle abnormalities on Air Pollution )
Presenter "People will be worried... "
Emily "Yeh this is the problem the British Heart Foundation which co-funded the study has said this is a wake up call and the government has to ACT QUICKLY,.... cos people cannot be expected to move house to find better air quality
(#Bias #3 There should be a logical fallacy like Appeal to Haste)
Emily : ".. all the people they used in the study were not exposed to levels ABOVE UK guidelines"
(Bias #4 How can she know that ? They might do activities taking them well over guidelines: eg a combine harvester driver, glassblower, heavy dope smoke etc.)
"This suggested that THE SUPPOSED SAFE LIMITS are NOT necessarily that safe"
(Bias #5 As to the levels where they live : you are talking about air pollution levels TODAY
..doh your ventricle doesn't get enlarged cos of what happened TODAY, it will have happened over the last 10, 20, 30, 40 years so in an era of super falling air pollution, it's past air levels which are more important not today's )
Emily :"The reaction from DEFRA ..the gov has put in place a £3.5bn plan to reduce harmful emissions ..Britain will be the first"
(Government fallacy there : The fallacy of rushing to be first pioneer, means many mistakes and costs)
Emily "If you are interested in having a say the govs consultation closes on the 14th of August
..so there is still time to tell the gov what your think"
Her end take gives the motivation ? Activists want a hard gov approach, so they are getting a scare story before the deadline, and pushing you to put pressure on the gov
The government consultation with Aug 14 deadline
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"The research comes from the British Heart Foundation"
BBC Headline "Even low air pollution may damage heart"
It has open comments, until they turn they turn them off

@Aug 3, 2018 at 11:39 AM | Unregistered CommenterSupertrol
Sure it is Super - at it's apogee - no doubt!

For God's sake Rhoda, you know full well I have never argued for any suppression. If there is rape gang activity shout it to the hills, persue the barstards as hard as you can, prosecute them to the limits of the law, lock them up for as long as the law allows , broadcast their names repeatedly and as widely as you can. But don't make them ethnic victims, don't give licence to genuine racists who concentrate upon their religion or ethnicity, potentially stirring up racial hatred against those who equally abhor these crimes but who happen to be south asian and/or muslims. Apart from those investigating this crime, is it important to anyone else that the perpetrators are muslim/south asian?