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@Stoic, Oct 14, 2018 at 2:38 PM

BBC The News Quiz, Episode 7 Series 97 @7m 36s

Oct 14, 2018 at 9:30 PM | Registered CommenterPcar

@Mark Hodgson, Oct 14, 2018 at 6:59 PM

She [Claire Perry] said: I don't think we should be in the business of prescribing to people how they should run their diets."

You lying cow. Sugar tax, pizza/pie max calories, choc bar sizes, five-a-day - you Nanny Perry, Wolaston etc and PHE are constantly "prescribing to people how they should run their diets."

Resign your position and seat.

Oct 14, 2018 at 9:26 PM | Registered CommenterPcar

@golf charlie,Oct 14, 2018 at 8:13 PM

"...Eat more Greens" - excellent, rofl

Oct 14, 2018 at 8:24 PM | Registered CommenterPcar

Socialism’s Promises – As In Liverpool, So In Venezuela, The Dead Unburied

It would be more than a little cruel, over-egging matters perhaps, to insist that “Vote Jezza so Granny can rot in the streets.” But there’s more than a nugget of truth to it, as Liverpool once showed us, as Venezuela does now. Socialism simply doesn’t work, not when imposed.

Oct 14, 2018 at 8:21 PM | Registered CommenterPcar

Oct 14, 2018 at 6:59 PM Mark Hodgson

Wild animals that are carnivores should be encouraged to eat greens to save the planet.

Oct 14, 2018 at 8:13 PM | Unregistered Commentergolf charlie

"and dump them somewhere they could pretend to be useful"

I thought Drax would be an ideal destination alternating with biomass so they would still get renewable subsidies.

Oct 14, 2018 at 7:54 PM | Unregistered CommenterMartyn

"the grant for new electric and hybrid cars and start fracking, seems a resonable indication of what we are doing about it. Oct 14, 2018 at 5:13 PM Martyn"

I was wondering whether the petrol engines in hybrids could be used to tow the expensive mobile batteries known as electric cars, and dump them somewhere they could pretend to be useful, such as powering wind turbines to turn when there is no wind.

Oct 14, 2018 at 7:25 PM | Unregistered Commentergolf charlie

What are we doing about it? Here's an article about the interface between nutters and politicians (and note that Claire Perry's alternatives are also fairly nutty):

"Is meat's climate impact too hot for politicians?
By Roger Harrabin
BBC environment analyst"

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-45838997

"Just a week after scientists said huge cuts in carbon emissions were needed to protect the climate, a UK minister has shown just how hard that will be.

Scientists say we ought to eat much less meat because the meat industry causes so many carbon emissions.

But the climate minister Claire Perry has told BBC News it is not the government's job to advise people on a climate-friendly diet.

She would not even say whether she herself would eat less meat.

Ms Perry has been accused by Friends of the Earth of a dereliction of duty. They say ministers must show leadership on this difficult issue.

But the minister - who is personally convinced about the need to tackle climate change - is anxious to avoid accusations of finger-wagging.

She said: "I like lots of local meat. I don't think we should be in the business of prescribing to people how they should run their diets."

When asked whether the Cabinet should set an example by eating less beef (which has most climate impact), she said: "I think you're describing the worst sort of Nanny State ever.

"Who would I be to sit there advising people in the country coming home after a hard day of work to not have steak and chips?… Please…"

Ms Perry refused even to say whether she agreed with scientists' conclusions that meat consumption needed to fall.

Craig Bennett from Friends of the Earth responded: "The evidence is now very clear that eating less meat could be one of the quickest ways to reduce climate pollution.

"Reducing meat consumption will also be good for people's health and will free up agricultural land to make space for nature."It's a complete no-brainer, and it's a dereliction of duty for government to leave the job of persuading people to eat less meat to the green groups."

He said the government could launch information campaigns, change diets in schools and hospitals, or offer financial incentives.

Ms Perry said: "What I do think we need to do is look at the whole issue of agricultural emissions and do a lot more tree planting.

"But if you and I eat less meat, with all the flatulent sheep in Switzerland and flatulent cows in the Netherlands - that will just be wiped out in a moment. Let's work on the technology to solve these problems at scale."

She said instead of cutting down on meat, we could use (hugely expensive) equipment that sucks CO2 out of the atmosphere.

Ms Perry said later that her own typical family meal is not steak and chips, but a stir-fry, which brings the taste and texture of meat into a dish dominated by vegetables. But she did not want to say this on camera.

She agreed it was appropriate for the government to advise people on healthy diets because the obesity epidemic is costing taxpayers more in health bills, but implied that this principle did not apply when considering the health of the planet.

Her fear of being condemned in the media as a bossy politician highlights the difficulty of the next phase of climate change reductions.

Until now, 75% of CO2 reductions in the UK have come from cleaning up the electricity sector. Many people have barely noticed the change.

Experts generally agree that for healthy lives and a healthy planet, the battle over climate change will have to get personal.

That could mean people driving smaller cars, walking and cycling more, flying less, buying less fast fashion, wearing a sweater in winter… and eating less meat.

People will still live good lives, they say, but they'll have to make a cultural shift.

If governments do not feel able to back those messages, they say, the near impossible task of holding global temperature rise to 1.5C will become even more difficult.

Ms Perry's comments came as she launched Green GB week, which aims to show how the UK can increase the economy while also cutting emissions.

She will formally ask advisers how Britain can cut emissions to zero."

FWIW my personal opinion is that once the nutters who seem to have taken over the asylum start demanding ever more stridently that people completely change the way they live (i.e. it "gets personal", to quote the BBC), that will be the end of any support for them, apart from among the usual quasi-religious zealots.

Oct 14, 2018 at 6:59 PM | Unregistered CommenterMark Hodgson

The Age of Newsworthy AGW is over.

Oct 14, 2018 at 4:16 PM M Courtney

Climate Scientists trusted Lord Stern to deal with the financial side of Global Warming. They all did very nicely, as they screwed the Science, the Planet and its inhabitants.

Oct 14, 2018 at 6:56 PM | Unregistered Commentergolf charlie

Golf charlie
On the subject of nuts, the total score for peanut butter this summer was about a dozen mice of various types.
Oct 14, 2018 at 4:06 PM Uibhist a Tuath

Excellent! I understand that those wishing to shoot rats (or mice) outside can also use peanut butter. The trick is to mix cooking oil with peanut butter until it (just) becomes a liquid. The pesky vermin then have to stay stationary as they lick it up.

For those who do not have the time to wait for rats to appear, place some sloppy peanut butter out first thing in the morning monday to friday. By Saturday, they will be waiting for it ... Let them have it.

Meanwhile, Climate Scientists. Trump has realised that they are thieving vermin, and is encouraging them to leave US soil.

Oct 14, 2018 at 6:42 PM | Unregistered Commentergolf charlie

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