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Monday
Jan182016

Old Reliable - Josh 357

There's a video titled "How reliable are satellite temperatures?" with the usual suspects giving their expert opinions. You can watch the video here and there is a post on WUWT here

H/t @GroenMNG for the idea.

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So we now have to believe that the satellite record is not as good as the surface record. Are satellites prone to having Martian spacecraft, parking near by, and wafting them with hot rocket exhaust gases?

You would have thought that top experts from NASA might have seen this one coming, before other top experts from NASA pointed it out, after billions of dollars had been wasted on schemes by top experts from NASA.

Jan 18, 2016 at 2:19 PM | Unregistered Commentergolf charlie

Regardless of which dataset they prefer, the models still run too hot.

Jan 18, 2016 at 3:17 PM | Unregistered CommenterJamesG

It's not the size of your tree that matters, it's where you stick it.

Jan 18, 2016 at 3:26 PM | Unregistered CommenterTinyCO2

If satellites were so unreliable, why is it only now that the issue is raised? Are they therefore unreliable for sealevels? GHG values - hate to think the new satellite just launched won't pass Mannian standards.

The Green agenda used to be hidden. With COP21 behind them, there is no need and no desire. Say what you will to get what you want. You can always get Obama to say the World agrees.

Jan 18, 2016 at 4:18 PM | Unregistered CommenterDoug Procttor

How reliable are satellite temperatures, well there certainly better than the usual means which can be best summed up has 'better than nothing ' , proxies of course , on which the hockey stick and Manns career are based , are best summed up as 'worse than better than nothing '
Indeed you could argue they are worse than nothing because by believing these lies you end going to down a blind ,if highly profitable, alley .

Jan 18, 2016 at 4:33 PM | Unregistered Commenterknr

Doesn't satellite data match balloon data pretty closely?

Jan 18, 2016 at 4:55 PM | Unregistered CommenterSandyS

knr, it is better to report that everything is hotter than nothing, than nothing is hotter at all.

Is Trenberth effectively blaming the satellites for the non existence of the missing heat? If so we ought to blame the satellites for the Loch Ness Monster not being found in Loch Ness. It is not proof it doesn't exist, somewhere.

Jan 18, 2016 at 5:19 PM | Unregistered Commentergolf charlie

i thought sattelites were part of the warmism hadith for the past 30y ??

they must have a schism in the irrefrtuable settlesd acience??

Jan 18, 2016 at 5:56 PM | Unregistered CommenterVenusNotWarmerDueToCO2

I thought we'd known about the height adjustment for years?

Jan 18, 2016 at 6:14 PM | Unregistered CommenterCapell

We are possibly the first generation in history given the opportunity to MEASURE accurately. We have the equipment; we have the time; we have the means to record our results; we have the means to permanently archive our results. Would you not think that those who enter science today would be able to see that tremendous opportunity and go out and make names for themselves in the field?

But no. Instead they huddle around their computer screens endlessly rehashing the poor data they have inherited. No matter how many times you feed poor data through a glorified adding machine it is still poor data. The old adage that you cannot make a silk purse out of a sow's ear holds fast even if you have a super computer.

So what do we get. So called scientists endlessly "re-analysing" poor data; Wilson, Mann, Arrigo, Dessler. We get more so called scientists rubbishing the modern methods instead of climbing on board to further their accuracy. Trenberth and his cohorts using modern methods to rubbish modern methods!

Great scientists sailed with the great explorers of the middle ages. They went with Shackleton, they died with Franklin and James Cook; they stood at the base camp and watched Hillary and Tensing summit Everest. They died of radiation poisoning; they died in the desert and jungles and were killed in wars.

We had the age of great seamen. We had the age of explorers. The age of the great engineers, molding massive structures in iron and steel. The age of great mathematicians and physicists The age of architecture with huge stately buildings, Christopher Wren etc. What have we now? The age of computer gamers. Intellectual pigmies playing games with excel spreadsheets.

If we don't take the opportunity now and for the next hundred years to comprehensively measure and record our environment then our grandchildren really will have something to bitch about.

The Age of Measurement is upon us and we just sit around staring at computer screens and dissing everyone else's work. History will not be kind to our generation.

Jan 18, 2016 at 7:25 PM | Unregistered CommenterIvor Ward

@SandyS, Jan 18, 2016 at 4:55 PM

Doesn't satellite data match balloon data pretty closely?

Yes. See:

Global Bulk Atmospheric Temperature (Surface-50K ft)

Jan 18, 2016 at 8:06 PM | Registered CommenterPcar

Mann is our modern day Newton. Who else could be tackling the most important existential threat humanity has ever faced?

Sigh. I walk among climate Neanderthals.

Jan 19, 2016 at 1:02 AM | Unregistered CommenterAila

Alla has seen further than others by keeping her knucles on the ground.

Jan 19, 2016 at 5:57 AM | Unregistered CommenterRussell

Great drawing, I notice Josh is introducing chiaroscuro into his work.

Jan 19, 2016 at 7:41 AM | Unregistered CommenterChris Hanley

Curse me for surrendering to the knowledge and wisdom of those that tell us that climate change is real, here, and dangerous.

I bow to Mann.

Jan 19, 2016 at 8:22 AM | Unregistered CommenterAila

I bow to no Mann (apologies to the final scene, Return of the King)

Jan 19, 2016 at 9:09 AM | Unregistered CommenterDavid Jay

Chris Hanley:

Or is it just a subtle hint that the subject is a little dim?

Jan 19, 2016 at 10:04 AM | Unregistered CommenterGraeme No.3

Shock! Dana Nutty over at the Guardian buys hook lie and sinker into dissing the satellites! Who'd of thought it, eh? (Can't be @rsed to link the little toad)

Jan 19, 2016 at 2:35 PM | Unregistered CommenterCheshireRed

One tree, CET, oh so happy we will be.

Jan 20, 2016 at 12:34 AM | Unregistered CommenterEli Rabett

High time that pesky satellite data got 'adjusted' until it fits the models....

Jan 20, 2016 at 1:09 PM | Unregistered Commentersherlock1

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