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Sep 29, 2015 Climate: Sceptics Media The Sun is to be commended for its splending trolling of the left-wing establishment.
Sep 29, 2015 Climate: Sceptics Media
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Good old Dellers. Jo Nova has also covered it here
Dave is - in part at least - placating Sam with your money ?
Borrowed money too....
Foreign Aid isn't a bad idea. Stimulating the economy of the third world will make us all richer.
Trade is good.
And richer people can add more to our world than the desperate on the breadline.
It's the idea that promoting less efficient energy sources will stimulate an economy - that's where the error comes in.
The Department for International Development (DfID) is worse than DECC.
At least with DECC you know from the outset what its about, DfID on the other hand is largely ignored yet if funds groups like WWF and FoE (WWF get millions from them). It even paid for the infamous BBC seminar back in 2006.
Nice one JD well done son.
But don't fall into the trap JD is a climate commentator (a very good one obviously ) but not an expert.
Greens will immediately pull that up usual "hes not a scientist blah blah".
Really need someone like you out there Bish .Tabloid tagline is Research Hack Micheal Mann fiddled the Tree Ring Data Presentation to get the results that was most beneficial to his funding and his prestige.
A good job JD you got straight into the public and a good day.
It looks like the Sun has gone full-out sceptical.
@ M Courtney at 9:49 AM @ M Courtney
"Foreign Aid isn't a bad idea. Stimulating the economy of the third world will make us all richer."
Also true is: "Aid isn't a bad idea. Stimulating the economy will make us all richer."
The truly annoying thing about this sort of government stupidity is that it creats racism. People resent their money going to bad causes and it rubs off on the poor sods who end up with junk initiatives. Cameron has been indulging in his own philanthropist plans with other people's money but doesn't genuinely care enough to spend wisely. He's easily swayed by a flashy talker, which is why he was a sucker for Kids Co.
Six billion pounds of other people's money to keep the missus happy.
Well worth it.
Quite happy with JD being described as an expert. At least he has examined both sides of the argument to form his opinion.
This and Hinkley Point - it makes you wonder if Dave and George have both completely lost the plot.
cheshirered: I don't believe that Dave and George ever found the plot to lose.
Dellers has an article about it at Breitbart £6 Billion Of Crappy Renewable Energy: Just What The Third World Needs
It 's the Sun wot done it!
chesired
Surely we must credit Davey for his economic vision and wisdom over the Hinckley Point deal? At one stroke he managed to discredit the nuclear industry in the UK for the next 20 years. Hard to follow.
notbannedyet
I'm afraid I'm not at all happy with Delingpole being described as a "climate expert". When I saw that headline I assumed that we were talking about someone with the qualifications to be called an expert in the terms in which the word is normally used, ie someone with some sort of formal qualification in the field.
Yes, he has examined both sides of the argument as have you and I and most people who post here. As have a host of other names. As has Anthony Watts who at least has some knowledge which one can defensibly argue entitles him to claim some expertise.
The trouble with Delingpole is that he is so easily dismissed or scorned by the Climateers that they only need to read his name on the by-line and that is the end of the matter. Pity, because he's right, but better this article had been written by someone who doesn't have Delingpole's baggage.
James Delingpole in the Sun, twice in one week !
Worth comparing sales.
Guardian - 185,429
Telegraph - 494,675
Mail - 1,688,727
Sun - 1,978,702 - over 10 times that of the Grauniad !
cheshirered - you missed out HS2.
the 'climate expert' comment is fun isn't it.. Leo Hickman pointed it out as well..
I did mention that until recently - Leo had been Chief Climate change advisor to the WWF...
Leo- Art History degree, journo.
James- English degree, journo
seems they are as equally 'qualified'
The Sun has over ten times the circulation of the Grauniad. Has anybody told the BBC? It's rare to hear anything from the Sun when Radio 4 has it's item on what the papers say. It invariably starts off with the Grauniad or the Independent..
I have to agree with Mike Jackson over Delingpole's "baggage", I mean what sort of self-respecting journalist would be photographed outside the Sloop at Bantham, or caught listening to Supertramp while stoned, along with a future Prime Minister ?
LOL !
I'm actually encouraged that no new money is going South, its all coming from the overseas aid budget, and a lot of it will just go to irrigation and flood defense, which it would have done anyway.
The scandal of course is the remaining money that will switch from helping the poor to helping the rich, by providing less than useless renewable energy.
Mike - sorry but, in a friendly way, I disagree.
IMO, on policy related matters, an expert is somebody who has studied a problem from all sides and is able to provide a well argued case within the relevant context. I think JD does this and I'd back him as a more informed and relevant contributor then many media referenced "experts". Certainly he is way better informed of the merit of sceptical views than those titled experts routinely wheeled out by the Met Office or the Grantham Institute etc etc. If you want to really know the mark one has to pass to be an expert then look to the likes of Vivienne Westwood!
http://climaterevolution.co.uk/wp/category/about/
http://climaterevolution.co.uk/wp/2015/09/27/vivienne-westwood-interview-by-ben-palmer/
I rest my case!!
Readers of the Sun are far more likely to read Delingpole's writing with its populist style than any expert on either side of the climate debate: he knows how to push buttons. The Sun has made exactly the right choice in commissioning his article. It is irrelevant what people like Ken Rice or Michael Mann or Jo Nova or Bjorn Lomborg or Andrew Mountford or even Lord Monckton think when you are trying to educate people who have no expert knowledge at all, and no knowledge of the personalities.
Between Delingpole, Hickman and Nurse, Dellers is the only one to have written a book on climate change, for adults. Hickman says his climate book for kids was really hard to write.
Mikky 12.13
"I'm actually encouraged that no new money is going South, its all coming from the overseas aid budget, and a lot of it will just go to irrigation and flood defense, which it would have done anyway.
The scandal of course is the remaining money that will switch from helping the poor to helping the rich, by providing less than useless renewable energy."
I agree with you. I want to know whether significant amounts will go on solar etc. or whether in fact the reference to renewables was mainly there for political or PC reasons as appears to so frequently be the case these days.
Climate scientist experts can not make up their mind about the cause of the pause, if their theories on global warming are correct.
Chimpanzees armed with coins and bananas, could keep themselves fed, and make yes/no guesswork cheaper.
Lewandowsky, Oreskes et al are not climate experts either, but they assume the way the coin will land, and take the guesswork out of it. But their assumptions are based on preconceived bias. Lewandowsky could usefully write a paper on why he is an idiot.
"It was The Sun wot dunnit" could be a famous Scientific paper. Meanwhile, I have a coin to eat, and a banana to toss.
In honour of climate science and their best ideas, 'I Can't Believe It's Not Even Half Baked Alaska' will be available on Paris menus. Also known as Ice cream.
Could Delingpole, via The Sun, do a piece on the RICO 20, and their dubious business activities?
It is the sort of Sunsational story, to get the British talking, in the run up to Paris, as the idea of scantily dressed young ladies commuting to work on the London Underground for 12 months of the year, no longer seems like reality.
One of the great lines of 'Blackadder' was Rik Mayal, saying to the Queen "Have I got a canoe in my pocket, or am I just pleased to see you?" Substitute ' Hockey Stick' for 'canoe', and it is a fair representation of how climate science's over confidence needs pricking, like a septic boil.
nby
I'm not really disagreeing with you but Delingpole (and to a lesser extent Booker) is the "go-to" fall guy for the Warmistas.
"What the hell does he know about ...?" means that they can opt out of any discussion.They don't need to address the argument when they can simply point to Dellers and trot out the usual ad homs.
Now if (roll on the day!) Nurse or one of the government advisors whose names I can't even be bothered to remember had put their name to this article then the Blob has nowhere to hide. If it's "only Dellers again", they don't even need to bother arguing because only the "deniers" will listen to him.
Until his "Pot-with-Dave" piece last Tuesday, I can't recall Delingpole writing for the Sun.
Certainly this latest piece is written in a style appreciated by readers of that organ.
The fact that 2 million people may possibly read it, is even better news.
Let's hope they seek out his views on such matters in future !
@Mike Jackson
I have never before (in over a decade on BH) seen you go after someone based on qualifications, in fact I rarely disagree with a word you write. However you are breaking a really important rule which I thought we all agreed on; you should always deal with the argument and not the man?
Mike Jackson, I agree, but in the cynical world of spin doctors, having the BBC on message is most important. If the majority of readers of newspapers view the BBC as anti the working people of Britain, the BBC's problems will get far worse. Political animals know that too.
Peak Green has occurred, but the vast majority of the UK population don't know. The BBC's consensus remains an impressive looking facade, but most of the Titanic looked fine as it sank. Nobody saw the cracks and splits below the waterline. Some of the BBC helmsmen and skippers are just looking for more icebergs to crash into.
David Cameron and president Obama have many things in common, neither of them is a fit person to lead a country in this crazy world we inhabit, and both of them are 'boy scouts' trying to deal with sharks. Neither Obama nor Cameron are conviction politicians (even Corbyn is a conviction politician). Cameron has no beliefs and is totally at the mercy of any one who does have strong convictions (especially if he needs to gain entry to her panties on a regular basis ^.^)
Cameron has two aims: he wants to be seen to lead and he wants to believe he is doing the right thing, unfortunately he does not have enough between his ears to work those things out for himself.
Cameron was flattered into taking a lead role on setting the new sustainability objectives for AGENDA 2030, without mentioning AGENDA 2030 to the British public it is to come into effect on Jan 1st 2016.
Cameron is a traitor, a liar, a fool and a joke and I say that as a lifetime Conservative voter until recently>
Delingpole has decided rightly that arguing with the 'science' is a waste of time. Who pays for this scam? Mail readers and Sun readers - 3,667,429 of them through their electricity bills. Most already think that climate change is rubbish - someone needs to point out that Telegraph and Guardian readers have roofs and acres where they can cream off renewables subsidies, paid for by Mail and Sun readers. That might concentrate enough minds to make a difference.
Lead on Delingpole!!
I think that, JD is perfectly entitled to his opinion. Furthermore, JD has spent some real time with physicists like Professor Lindzen who is a world renowned physicist and someone who has dedicated much time to understanding the inticately complicated smorgasbord that is, the dynamics of the Earth's atmosphere. Though, JD may not grasp the complex mathematics behind Prof' Lindzen's conclusions - he is well able to understand - the drift, as are we all.
Other and notable scientific luminaries include; the late professor Feynman, the ever brave hearted Professsor Judith Curry, and of course the famous Professor Freeman Dyson - all of whom cast major doubt on the
suppositionfatuous invention that, and somehow....... man made emissions of CO² - is [preposterously] tipping the balance to causing "runaway warming".James Delingpole, reports to the ordinary JOE And JOANNA, he merely mirrors and augments the opinions of others and damn right that he should and does! James Delingpole, has a name and people DO read his stuff.
I say all power to his acerbic penmanship, his well written polemic - the great Warming Scam needs lambasting and a clarion - because it is 'us' the lowly taxpayers who are footing the bill for this global warming insanity.
Lord only knows, what the repercussions will be if, that nut job currently installed in the White House gets his way come December in Paris. And maybe, just maybe, there is substance to the speculation, that, - they* had removed, a democratically elected Prime Minister to smooth the path towards a world wide and binding CO² emissions treaty in Paris.
*Abbot, after his election victory, spent his whole Prime Ministerial time in office facing a full frontal assault from; the Australian media, the Aussie left wing - all of Australian academia and the tossers of the powerful green blob. Plus Abbot faced ridicule from the political and world Internationalists/cognoscenti and with Turnbull fomenting, stirring up the proverbial and doing what he does best playing the serpent and a blinder [all the time with GS smuggly pulling strings in the background]...... and with assorted other meddlers.
And here's the irony - yes indeed the Australian economy was tanking in the last few months - most of that is due to the Asian Pacific rim undergoing a crisis because of the Chinese downturn. But people forget, and all thanks to the Aus Labour party in cahoots with the extremely powerful Australian greens lobby - for the last 30 years instead of Australia becoming a manufacturing and tertiary production hub for the Pacific rim. Now, thanks to the green blob Australia has regressed to what it used to be in the latter Victorian era - a primary producer. The green blob halted Australia's progression towards a far more balanced and vitally capable economy - able to withstand big downturns in iron ore and minerals prices...all because the polticians sold the Australian public on the big green lie and shut down their jobs.
@Dung Sep 29, 2015 at 4:43 PM
+1
I agree with Peter Hitchens who names the party Cameron leads as The Not The Conservative Party.
Cameron, the self proclaimed heir to Blair - all spin, lies, no vision or conviction, only in it for prestige, power, adoration and self-interest. Example: demonising non-doms - they are now being headhunted by Switzerland, Hong-Kong, Singapore and more. As for his hippy wife - probably best I don't say.
What the UK desperately needs is a PM who will do what is in the best long term economic interest of the UK regardless of focus groups, negative press and insults. Once the populace see and benefit in their pockets from the UK's success they will ignore the BBC, MSM and SJWs and vote with their wallets.
Perhaps Labour electing Corbyn will result in the (real) Conservatives replacing Cameron with an heir to Margaret
Pcar, the Corbyn factor, is a problem for the next Leader of the Labour Party. The Tories would prefer to deal with him or her, after winning the next election, not before., whoever the next Tory Prime Minister is.
As for JD being an expert... or not.
The Guardian has a piece reviewing Mark Carneys speech about the coming risks of global warming. He quotes the International Panel on Climate Change. Really unsporting of the Guardian not to have corrected it to Intergovernmental. You would have thought one of their experts on global warming might have spotted ... maybe not.
Any chance of a link to the original Sun article?
Pcar
The Conservative party and the country are both in grave danger and need someone as you say, an heir to Thatcher or even Churchill because whether they realise it or not the UK is in danger of being subsumed into first an EU blob and then a UN world government.
I only see one person who might fit the bill and that is Farage but I doubt that Conservatives recognise the need to consider such radical ideas or any other ideas that shake their world up so much.
I agree that Dellers is more qualified to comment on climate change and renewable energy than many of the "experts" that the usual suspects wheel out to tell us that we're all gonna fry. He's been researching it and writing about it for many years. If you look at the utterly nonsensical "research" (e.g. see the story elsewhere at BH about the sharks and the turtles) which is regarded as acceptable by alarmists, they are not exactly credible when it comes to quality science.
Besides, it doesn't matter how well qualified a sceptic is. Look at Dr Willie Soon - as soon as he put his (very well qualified) head above the parapet, he was denounced and written off as a corrupt shill for Big Oil.
Heads you lose, tails I win. Ignore them.
Pcar said:
Of course but that would necessitate reversing and absolutely, all of the societal engineered reforms - imposed on this nation by the political consensus. A confab and cosy alliance kept since the days of Harold Wilson, Woy Jenkins and Anthony Crosland - and Ted of course - who was a Socialist sheep with a blue rinse fleece. Maggie stemmed the bleeding for a bit but things got back to 'normal' with MacMental and his mates, the prince of Darkness + 'the Messiah' and after them came Dave's social democrats - with a yellow streak as wide their backs. Now we have Dave mk II and so no change there then - more Socialist policies dressed up as - hang on...... a minute - they were elected in May and nigh on it's now October - where are they!!??
Oooh blast :O( ! ......Silly me, what was I thinking? mais naturellement! there's no need for Dave's camerloons and the Westminster UDC - because Brussels runs the show.................................indeedy.
@Dung Sep 29, 2015 at 10:36 PM
Most current and former Conservative party members do believe in such radical ideas - I'm one. However Cameron despises them and prefers the liberal/socialist government knows best nanny state - plastic bag tax, alcohol minimum price, smoking ban, school lunch box inspections, recycle everything, sugar tax (coming soon) etc.
Blue is the new green? More like Cameron's Blue is the new Red.
Deller's definately owes Golf Charlie a turnip, but what he said in the infamous Nurse interview stands
"It's not my job to sit down and read peer reviewed papers...I'm an interpreter of interpretations"
Given all the BS he has spewed and swallowed, from cosmic ray woo to underwater volcanoes , the agitprop department of The Sun is exactly where he belongs.
Russell
Have you tried watching Danger Mouse? It might seem a bit over your head to start with but we would be willing to help you out.
Pcar
Cameron is trampling over what I consider best about this country. I have a strong aversion to my death being recorded on an EU death certificate but my best days are already behind me. I am not a revolutionary and neither are most Brits but right now I do not see how we stop Cameron destroying the UK.
Hey! I'm all for Radical ideas, too! Anyone want to hear a few?
Corruption scenario to consider : That £6bn of already planned thirdworld aid will be diverted to come in the form of "green" products/consultancy from UKGreenBlob corps which have coincidentally donated to Conservative election expenses.
..trebles all round chaps.