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Fruit loop - Josh 342

David Appell has been hard at work here on BishopHill. Although highly diverting I am not sure we learned a great deal except that Mr. Appell is keen on circular arguments.

But some of the comments were inspiring, so thank you!

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Chortle. You almost make me want to be a warmist so I could inspire a cartoon. But I just couldn't stand behind the Hockey Stick.

Sep 2, 2015 at 7:42 PM | Unregistered CommenterTinyCO2

Ha ha, the family resemblance to Bob Ward is remarkable...

Sep 2, 2015 at 8:10 PM | Unregistered CommenterSpence_UK

You have been nice to him; at least he is not depicted (yet) as a fruitcake.

Sep 2, 2015 at 9:44 PM | Registered CommenterAlbert Stienstra

Apple + Head = Pure Newtonian physics

What goes up, must keep going up, cos he says so = Pure Appell physics ( may be reconstituted from concentrated pulp)

Sep 2, 2015 at 10:20 PM | Unregistered Commentergolf charlie

The spin he's in is surely the logical conclusion of a 'super-exponential' event. But then, a dyslexic friend thought that Appell was a Cocks.

Sep 2, 2015 at 10:30 PM | Unregistered CommenterHarry Passfield

Josh, one of your best ever. The choice between a green Appell and a red Appell must have been agonizing.

Sep 3, 2015 at 1:02 AM | Unregistered CommenterRud Istvan

It has all quietened down now. I expect David Appell, along with his alter egos, and multiple identities, is just chilling out, after the marathon posting sessions, pretending never to have been impersonated by somebody else.

Sep 3, 2015 at 1:37 AM | Unregistered Commentergolf charlie

David's fairly useful for figuring out what climate illusions are important for the narrative. Kinda sad for him and it that defense of the persuasive, but tragically misleading, Crook' Stick is one of them.

Sep 3, 2015 at 2:15 AM | Unregistered Commenterkim

What? No worm? (With IPCC "stripes"?)

Sep 3, 2015 at 3:31 AM | Unregistered CommenterBernd Felsche

But won't biting the Appell mean that we'll have to leave our present, fossil-fuelled paradise and end up in, by comparison, Hell as the planned 40 million UK deaths take place according the Agenda 21?

Sep 3, 2015 at 6:02 AM | Unregistered CommenterNCC 1701E

Below a summary of some of the hilarity (repost from "More Appel comedy gold".)

So many hilarious things in one thread, with for instance Appell:

- demanding answers to his questions but himself constantly answering questions with questions:

"David Appell, you keep posting Marcott et al as support for your faith that the uptick (blade) is exceptional. But it isn't known to be in any way unusual. There is no study that shows the current rise as being strange."

[Appell:] Define "strange."

"Will you now please acknowledge that you misunderstood the evidence of Marcott et al and that Mann is not supported by that paper?"

[Appell:] Misunderstood what?

"David Appell, why is it so important to climate science to prove there was no MWP, when all evidence prior to the Hockey Stick established there was a MWP?"

[Appell:]What evidence?

- accusing people of insulting him, followed by insult after insult from him:

"If not... well - please acknowledge that you are a zealot, not a rational person."

[Appell:] If you expect further replies, you'll stick to the science and can the insults.

[Appell:] Robert: Personal attacks just show you can't counter my science.

Followed by:

[Appell:] You people are very poor at understanding physics.

[Appell:] Wow. Haven't ANY of you ever taken a course in physics??

[Appell:] My God you are dense.

[Appell:] If you can't follow, you aren't much of a climatologist, newbie or otherwise.

[Appell:] Only suckers like you and people who read this fall for it.

- performing outstanding circular reasoning (squared!):

[Appell:] It was the blade -- a rapid increase in temperatures relative to the several hundreds of years before -- that was so notable about the hockey stick -- a clear sign of the anthropogenic signal.


What you've done, instead, is simply restate part of the hypothesis. Your statement that CO2 is increasing (super exponentially even maybe) is a part of the global warming hypothesis. Your statement that CO2 radiative forcing increase logarithmically is also part of the GW hypothesis.

So all you've got is a circular argument - If you believe in global warming then global warming is true. That ain't science mate - that's practically theology. Start accepting circular reasoning in your science and you'll end up being lumped in with the creationists and intelligent designers.

[Appell:] .......

- saying that the existence of a global MWP (which he denies LOL) would somehow increase the risks of manmade GHG's (wow what a leap he makes there!):

[Appell:] The reconstructed hockey sticks shows no evidence for a global MWP. Ironically, if they had, it would make our current situation WORSE, for it would show our climate is much more sensitive to forcings than we think. That would make the risks we face from manmade GHGs even higher.

- thinking averaging world temperatures gives a meaningfull climate related parameter.

- and last but not least, equating heat with temperature (my personal favorite!):

[Appell:] Why is average temperature a meaningful concept? Because it increases as heat is added to a system.

[response in a nutshell]: Nonsense. Adding heat (energy) to a pan of boiling water does not change its temperature.

[Appell:] .......

What a tool.

Sep 3, 2015 at 10:25 AM | Unregistered CommenterWijnand

The bitterness suggests it's a cooking apple, rather than an eating apple.

Sep 3, 2015 at 10:32 AM | Unregistered CommenterCharlie Flindt

Wijnand, thanks for that!

David Appell believes himself to be the best in climate science.

Unfortunately for Climate Science, David Appell may be right.

Sep 3, 2015 at 3:07 PM | Unregistered Commentergolf charlie

he was quite adamant that the handle of the hockeystick is NOT what he is interested in, only the blade :)
after alll these efforts from Dr Mann to nurture, and keep the handle flat

This is a reborn reformist warmish zealot or something ?

Sep 4, 2015 at 2:00 PM | Unregistered CommenterVenusNotWarmerDueToCO2

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