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Saturday
Dec052015

Climate talks progress 

Progress at Paris talks as world leaders agree cardboard to go out on Tuesday night

 An agreement that cardboard for recycling will be put out on a Tuesday night has been reached at the UN climate summit in Paris. The historic deal will see cardboard across the developed world kerbside and ready for collection on a Wednesday morning, though it is acknowledged that some less developed countries may not manage until after lunchtime

 H/T Newsbiscuit

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Reader Comments (53)

Excellent! Captures the spirit (and usefulness) of the talks perfectly.

Dec 5, 2015 at 4:31 PM | Registered Commenterjamesp

Wouldn't it be more efficient if we didn't use cardboard in the first place. Besides I'm out on a Tuesday night.

Dec 5, 2015 at 5:17 PM | Unregistered CommenterMartyn

Can you recycle wheelie bins? We have 3 already, and by the time you have to separate brown cardboard from other colours, that will be another 2.

All of this concern about polythene bags forming floating islands in the mid oceans, is nothing on the growing problem of wheelie bins cluttering roads and pavements in built up areas after dark. Will they have to have flashing lights on them like builders skips? How will marauding rats, dogs and foxes know which bins to attack? These Green Environmentalists are creating a nightmare environment, strewn with petrochemical derived plastic bins.

Dec 5, 2015 at 5:21 PM | Unregistered Commentergolf charlie

Have I got news for you last night

Covered the opening of the Climate Conference

Funny how no jokes.about the great and the good sharing happily a platform with Mugabe and Iran where they hang gays in car parks instead of throwing them off roofs.

Dec 5, 2015 at 5:52 PM | Unregistered CommenterJamspid

If you want to raise a municipal huff in suburban America, change the garbage/recyclable/compost day. Seemingly everyone has an opinion on what is the best day why changing would signal the end of the world.

An indication of how little people have to worry about.

Dec 5, 2015 at 6:00 PM | Unregistered CommenterSpeed

"An indication of how little people have to worry about."

Have you heard about this thing that says that if you eat curry you are misappropriating someone else's culture?

Dec 5, 2015 at 6:34 PM | Unregistered CommenterStonyground

Newsbiscuit (?) seems to be the only source of this.
I don't know anything about Newsbiscuit.
Someone closer to COP21 can, maybe, confirm?

Dec 5, 2015 at 6:35 PM | Unregistered CommenterJohn F. Hultquist

Those wheelie bins can be very dangerous ...

You never know what's in them

Pointman

Dec 5, 2015 at 6:43 PM | Unregistered CommenterPointman

jamspid

The otherwise redoubtable Ian Hislop has a spine of jelly when it comes to climate matters, his wife being a fully signed up alarmist. It's a shame, as Private Eye doesn't usually miss a big establishment-behaving-badly story.

Dec 5, 2015 at 6:45 PM | Registered Commenterjamesp

GC

"polythene bags forming floating islands"

I've often wondered where they come from, as I'm pretty sure it isn't from household waste, which isn't usually blown out to sea. If, as I suspect, it mostly originates from shipping (especially cruise liners), then the bag tax will have no effect, apart from raising the cost of a useful, multi-purpose, household accessory by a factor of, er, infinity.

Dec 5, 2015 at 6:51 PM | Registered Commenterjamesp

John F. Hultquist

Newsbiscuit is a site that writes spoof articles on the news.

Dec 5, 2015 at 7:04 PM | Unregistered CommenterMessenger

King of satire Quido stole Hislop's crown long time ago

James's

The Hislops live in the beautifull picturesque Kent village of Marden about 20 minute from dreary Maidstone famous for its prison and infamous for its one way system.

I would hate to think the Hislop family wonderful rustic idyl being wrecked and a good nights sleep ruined by a swarm of 500 high Wind Turbines interrupting their scenic view of the " Garden of England ".

There is however a perfectly good Nuclear power station 5 miles away in Dungeness not to mention the perfectly good coal fired power stations being shut down across the rest of the country.

Dec 5, 2015 at 7:21 PM | Unregistered Commenterjamspid

jamesp, I have heard of these islands of floating plastic bags, but never seen photographic evidence. As a yottie, I have sailed through the litter trail of cruise liners and other shipping.

I have never figured out how polythene bags can take 100s of years to breakdown at sea, but can disintegrate in an instant, whilst being carried across a supermarket car park. Is it that polythene bags only break down whilst being useful, but when useless, like climate scientists, they go on, and on, and on?

Dec 5, 2015 at 7:55 PM | Unregistered Commentergolf charlie

golf charlie:

Polythenes breakdown in sunlight very readily. This was brought home to me when I tried to pickup a 4Litre plastic bottle from the laboratory window sill where it had been sitting (behind glass) for 18 months. My fingers went through the walls and there was a mess as the contents spilled. Fortunately it was a neutral formulation of surfactants in water, not the next bottle of concentrated nitric acid. That was moved with considerable care, and the window sill became a non-storage area.

It is highly unlikely that thin plastic bags would float around the oceans for ever and ever. I have always thought that these floating islands were a greenie fantasy, because if they existed surely those concerned for the environment would clean them up with one of their publicity chasing ships.

Dec 5, 2015 at 8:32 PM | Unregistered CommenterGraeme No.3

> If they existed....

They are hiding, in the middle of the oceans, just above Trenberth's missing heat.

Dec 5, 2015 at 8:52 PM | Unregistered CommenterTerryS

jamesp/GC: As anyone who has rod-fished for cod in the Channel close to the ferry routes, it is not unusual to find a miscellany of non-floating jetsam in their guts including cutlery and sanitary products.

Dec 5, 2015 at 8:55 PM | Registered CommenterSalopian

Salopian, it is many years ago, but I used to do a fair amount of scuba diving. I have seen what is on the Channel and Solent seabed.

Through work, I have also had to visit a fair few sewage works. It is amazing/sickening/appalling what some people manage to get down the foul drains of houses, that then has to be raked off the sewage intake screens/grills at the treatment works.

Being a country bumpkin, I grew up in a house with no mains drainage, and if the drains to the septic tank blocked, there was a set of drain rods......

Dec 5, 2015 at 9:40 PM | Unregistered Commentergolf charlie

Graeme No3, that the floating islands of polythene bags are a Green exaggeration/myth has become my assumption. I can accept that floating rubbish, like seaweed can clump together at sea.

Their sightings are never made from cruise liners, but on routes rarely used by commercial shipping. I think it is in the same areas that ancient mariners reported spotting sea dragons, clashing rocks, etc and just round the bend from the edge of the world, where boats fall off.

TerryS I think Trenberth's missing heat fell off the edge of the earth, from the deepest part of the ocean. It is the only logical explanation left for global warmists.

Dec 5, 2015 at 10:12 PM | Unregistered Commentergolf charlie

All climate change - yes ALL - is 100% natural and has nothing to do with carbon dioxide. It's obvious that rising CO2 levels have not affected temperatures this century, and there is absolutely no valid physics that any of you can produce to show why climate should be affected by CO2.

The global mean temperature varies in cycles that appear to be regulated by planetary orbits and variations in solar intensity, cosmic rays etc which probably also relate to planetary orbits. For example, the eccentricity of Earth's orbit has a cycle of about 100,000 years which is thought to relate to the spacing of glacial periods, this being because the annual mean distance of the Sun varies over that 100,000 year cycle. There are numerous cycles, but the two dominant ones in the space of a few thousand years have periods of about 1,000 years and 60 years. Both were rising in the 30 years to 1998, but now we have slight net cooling for 30 years, and probably about 500 years of long term cooling due to start within 100 years.

Solar intensity can also vary because of variations in cloud cover. Reflections from clouds affect the albedo by about 20%. For each 1% change (for example to 19% or 21%) there is a temperature change of about 0.9 degree. So all the climate change in the last few thousand years could have been due just to such changes in cloud cover. Clearly there are also other changes in sunspot activity, and you have to ask yourselves whether than could well explain the 1,000 year cycle. What regulates these long term cycles in sunspot activity? Well, the only things that are "regular" are planetary orbits, and it could well be that planetary magnetic fields which reach to the Sun have some effect on sunspots and possibly cosmic rays intensities which, in turn, may affect cloud formation.

It's ALL natural and you have no proof that it could not be.

Until you understand that planetary surface temperatures are not established by direct radiation reaching such surfaces you have failed to pay due diligence. The explanation as to what really determines such temperatures on all planets is there to be read and studied here. It all started with an explanation by the brilliant 19th century physicist Josef Loschmidt who has now been proven right with modern day experiments which show that force fields do indeed create temperature gradients that are the state of maximum entropy.

Dec 5, 2015 at 10:40 PM | Unregistered CommenterLukesAreWrongToo

Nice, relaxed video


Climate Science for the Layman - Professor Happer


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FsTweZIRpos

Dec 5, 2015 at 11:07 PM | Unregistered Commenteresmiff

Islamic Terrorist attacks passengers with a knife in a London Underground Station

Did Climate Change make him do it ?

Dec 6, 2015 at 2:17 AM | Unregistered CommenterJamspid

And Then There's Watermelons, beavering away to undermine the industrial economy. The time is approaching when this fifth column will be pariahs.

Dec 6, 2015 at 5:16 AM | Unregistered CommenterBrent Hargreaves

"polythene bags forming floating islands" --"I've often wondered where they come from, as I'm pretty sure it isn't from household waste, which isn't usually blown out to sea. If, as I suspect, it mostly originates from shipping (especially cruise liners), then the bag tax will have no effect, apart from raising the cost of a useful, multi-purpose, household accessory by a factor of, er, infinity." --jamesp

As I understand it, the bulk of the "islands" consists of fine particulates with a higher concentration than elsewhere, not heaps of colorful plastic trash bobbing around in a visible mass surrounded by clear water. I've seen one photo, only, which admittedly had been created by raking flotsam in a marina until there was enough to photograph.

"Have you heard about this thing that says that if you eat curry you are misappropriating someone else's culture?" --Stonyground

I've heard it said that even uttering the word curry is not acceptable. I've also heard someone say that there is no such thing as curry.

Dec 6, 2015 at 7:40 AM | Unregistered Commenterjorgekafkazar

Whats forgotten is that while we in UK may limit our contribution of rubbish into the seas others won't/don't. The coastal regions of the Middle East for instance. On a launch into the Gulf of Oman (Muscat) one morning we had trouble after 10 mins with engine power of our 75HP Yamaha outboard engine. Stopped the engine and it never started again even though we removed the plastic bag wrapped round the water intake.

Our 5p matters little.

Dec 6, 2015 at 8:15 AM | Unregistered CommenterEx-expat Colin

That is real fair dinkum progress.
Well done COP21.

Next step is to call it "ardboard". We don't want any "C" in it. "C" is nasty stuff.

Dec 6, 2015 at 11:36 AM | Unregistered Commentertoorightmate

LoRd Lawson should commission Claes Oldenburg to create an installation in front of the National Gallery, later to be put on display alongside 'Northumberlandia' on the Ridley estate.

This giant recepticle should of course be cast out of recycled recycling bins

A sketch may be examined here

http://vvattsupwiththat.blogspot.com/2015/12/a-small-oldenburg-installation.html

Dec 6, 2015 at 12:02 PM | Unregistered CommenterRussell

The NewsBiscuit article on Adele's ex-boyfriend had me in tears of laughter. The one on the RAF hitting an Islamic State postbox is pretty good too. Beats the Groniad and Indie for news hands down.

Dec 6, 2015 at 12:20 PM | Unregistered CommenterDocBud

In the UK it is quite clear that we need more wheelie bins. Has anyone thought of a captive breeding programme? It is evident that along with traffic cones and shopping trollies with 3 wheels, they all long to recolonise derelict land and beautiful areas of otherwise unspoilt countryside.

The sight of an untethered wheelie bin going full tilt down a street under windpower alone, is one of the great natural wonders of the modern built envionment, and a lot cheaper than a Tesla. Shouldn't wind turbine designers be looking at wheelie bins for aerodynamic inspiration?

Sir David Attenborough could do a wonderful commentary of wild herds of wheelie bins, sailing across the plains of the Serengeti, with a backing soundtrack of the 'Black Beauty' galloping horse theme music, and it would really help bring home the message of COP21, and put global warming in perspective.

Dec 6, 2015 at 1:00 PM | Unregistered Commentergolf charlie

Toorightmate-
"Next step is to call it "ardboard". We don't want any "C" in it. "C" is nasty stuff."

Great stuff!
:-)

Dec 6, 2015 at 1:07 PM | Unregistered CommenterChris y

Obviously most of the commentators boosting the whole "oceans of plastic" thing are unaware of the swingeing fines which accompany getting caught breaking MARPOL rules - and indeed are ignorant of those rules.

Those floating patches of plastic have so defied discovery and mapping that the greenies have resorted to Bermuda Triangle tactics...

Undoubtedly there is plastic debris - and as far as I can see actually locating the sources isn't that difficult - but it would generate waycist meltdown at the Guardian if the actual primary perpetrators were fingered.... The oceans are dynamic places as a quick look at the labels / molded in branding on plastics on a beach will show....

Now if the greenies themselves robustly addressed illegal dumping (Mafia + assd bandits around the globe exploiting those insane recycling costs ) instead of say - punishing everybody over supermarket bags.... some progress might be made?

Dec 6, 2015 at 2:04 PM | Registered Commentertomo

tomo, it is the legal dumping of corrupted rubbish into the homes and minds of unsuspecting vulnerable adults and children by the BBC and Grauniad on a daily basis that should be investigated by organised crime syndicates to understand how they get away with it, and get PAID!

Dec 6, 2015 at 2:58 PM | Unregistered Commentergolf charlie

James Delingpole alluded to the utter insecurity of these little green helpers, made a point in a recent post, telling us that he could not secure a press pass to the green headbangers fest and big bang in Paris - where no dissenting voices will be allowed near the gob bestival?

Why the hell not?

Oh dear, do they, all the green blobbites.................. all run into their 'safe spaces' if someone starts asserting facts and alerting them to the reallty - with so ever so inconvenient truths?

As Obarmy weaves his fresh air promissory junk bonds, the eejits and evangelizing NGO's hang onto his every word, "the Messiah speaks" they cry.

Aye, as the most dangerous bonkers of US presidents sails off into the sunset of his disastrous tenure as "leader who didn't lead the free world". For, the green religion is of the next world, it should certainly not be applicable in this one.

Dear God, I sometimes hope that Donald Trump is elected next time round, because if nothing else, he would end this UN circus and farce - the COP free five star travel and hols for the green advocates.

FFS I am tired of their attempts to change the world, and anyone who sits at a table with Mugabe - will never be able to wash his hands sufficiently enough. How could they invite that madman, but is Mugabe not a symbolic of what is wrong with the whole idiot process - forcing people to comply with the iniquity of global carbon dioxide emissions limitations - yes it's bonkers, it's also deranged and verging on genocidal.

Dec 6, 2015 at 3:36 PM | Unregistered CommenterAthelstan.

Athelstan, Mugabe is the supreme example of what happens when you put a murderous corrupt thug in charge of a country.

The 40, 000 wannabe dictators in Paris, are obviously keen to learn from the worlds best experts on how to ruin economies, and return whole populations to subsistence agriculture and crime, within a single generation.

Mugabe has reduced the carbon footprint of his country.

Dec 6, 2015 at 3:55 PM | Unregistered Commentergolf charlie

esmiff

Thank you for the William Happer link. It's a shame that sweetness and reason don't have more clout.

Dec 6, 2015 at 4:02 PM | Registered Commenterjamesp

GC

"Mugabe has reduced the carbon footprint of his country"

Not to mention the number of feet.

Dec 6, 2015 at 4:03 PM | Registered Commenterjamesp

BH has turned into Sunday afternoon Dad Jokes!

Dec 6, 2015 at 4:14 PM | Unregistered CommenterJohn

Shipping all those Deisel Generators into Cumbria Wait till the rest of the UK grid goes down.
.
Cameron don't want to get rid of Trident just in case national surcurity is threatened

should,nt get rid of Coal Fired Power stations either when there is a bit of extra snow or rain

Dec 6, 2015 at 4:36 PM | Unregistered Commenterjamspid

Yep, UN shiking today while it dreams of the future
UN shameless, useless & incompetent swanning about in conferences with big promises to save the future world whereas in TODAY's world it lets mad dictators viciously suppress their own people : Mugabe and other forgotten African despot regimes, all those screwed up middle eastern regimes, Putin's phoney war in the Ukraine.
- You can't even stop them firing bullets at their own people, how are you gonna stop them emitting CO2 is 40 years time ?
Oh we'll lead by example ..and they'll follow
Well we lead by example , in not shooting political opponents, having democracy etc.
but that's not stopped the existance of mad dictators.
...And now here in the west green/left take us backwards suppressing debate when someone says something they don't like.

Dec 6, 2015 at 5:03 PM | Registered Commenterstewgreen

Yes, that William Happer link is a good one.

It also led me to this interview with John Christy, who I have not seen speak at length before. The interviewer is definitely a 'friendly' one, but I guess it is supposed to be about what Christy thinks, and a wide variety of topics is covered.

If either video has a failing for a more general viewer, I would say that it is the language used in attempting to explain Beer-Lambert absorption of IR. I think they could just describe the effect as one of "diminishing returns", which is probably a term more familiar to a wider audience without seeming over technical.

Dec 6, 2015 at 5:07 PM | Unregistered Commentermichael hart

jamesp 4:03, Mugabe is the high priest of Malthusian theory, by which mere pretenders must be judged. His methods of population control set new standards for Green Marxist revolutionaries, and he has even carried out surveys of the survivors to confirm how popular he is. By driving more people out of the country,and silencing most dissenters, he should be approaching 97% compliance with his selfish point of view.

No wonder he got invited to Paris.

Dec 6, 2015 at 5:08 PM | Unregistered Commentergolf charlie

Mugabe must be a Yorkshireman: say his name backwards.......

Dec 6, 2015 at 5:30 PM | Unregistered CommenterNCC 1701E

NCC 1701E Robert Mugabe also likes strong mints, if you spell his name backwards.

Dec 6, 2015 at 9:57 PM | Unregistered Commentergolf charlie

NCC 1701E. I said it out loud once, and giggled. But what happens if I say it three times?

Dec 7, 2015 at 3:37 AM | Unregistered CommenterClunking Fist

This joke might be back-firing: some actually seem to be taking the Newsbiscuit article seriously โ€“ there are others on other sites who think that we are all taking it seriously. Never forget that there are some, particularly those with entrenched views, who have no sense of humour and cannot see a joke if it slapped them with a wet kipper.

Dec 7, 2015 at 9:06 AM | Registered CommenterRadical Rodent

and there is absolutely no valid physics that any of you can produce to show why climate should be affected by CO2.

Apart from all the physics that says so.

As I said in the appropriate discussion thread: Herpes.

Dec 7, 2015 at 9:24 AM | Unregistered CommenterTheBigYinJames

If this is Wembley it must be trash day.
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Dec 7, 2015 at 9:39 AM | Unregistered Commenterkim

Radical Rodent, climate scientists keep coming out with ludicrous press releases, that ARE taken seriously by the BBC and Grauniad. Michael Mann even achieved international fame, and a healthy bank account as a result of getting an allegedly peer reviewed picture published.

It is very sad that so many people, including politicians, take climate science seriously.

Dec 7, 2015 at 11:46 AM | Unregistered Commentergolf charlie

"jamspid

The otherwise redoubtable Ian Hislop has a spine of jelly when it comes to climate matters, his wife being a fully signed up alarmist."

Pussy whipped by any chance?

Dec 7, 2015 at 12:21 PM | Unregistered CommenterAnother Ian

1) One commenter wrote: "... and there is absolutely no valid physics that any of you can produce to show why climate should be affected by CO2."

2) Another replied: "Apart from all the physics that says so."

There is no physics that shows that CO2 warms the surface of the planet. In fact, the whole CO2 "drives the climate" drivel is a delusion on a grand scale. One day people like commenter number 2 will be laughed at and used as an example of mankind's propensity for believing in grand delusions.

Dec 7, 2015 at 1:04 PM | Unregistered CommenterMark Stoval

Apart from anything else, it is surely not beyond the wit of man to have a 'consistent' UK policy on wheelie bins....?

Where I used to live, we had three bins: black for general household rubbish; blue for recycleable waste (cardboard, glass, plastic etc); and green for - er - green waste.

NOW where I live we have TWO wheelie bins (and a box for glass); black for general household waste; and green for recycleable waste. If you want to dispose of 'green' waste - you have to buy a BROWN wheelie bin....

All too confusing for a senior citizen.....

Dec 7, 2015 at 1:40 PM | Unregistered Commentersherlock1

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