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Monday
Oct282013

Mad about the girl - Josh 242

 

Tamsin Edwards has been 'in the tweets' again for flagrantly trying to communicate with sceptics. 

Apparently this is a 'bad' thing to do, and she has been roundly criticised both on Twitter and on the somewhat confessionally titled blog 'Hot Whopper'. This feels slightly odd as we are often assured that the only problem with sceptics and Climate Science is one of communication. 

You would think that actually communicating might be a good thing but apparently not. Mad. As mad as a well hatted mad hatter with mad hats on a mad hat day. Doing some Mad Hatting.

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I don't want mythologising, or for that matter children's story-ing. And I didn't feel gagged. People disagreed with me about what I do - and some were a little, er, strong in expressing their views - but I wouldn't expect everyone in the world to agree on the best way to go things.

Plus I'd never be seen dead in a pinny.

Oct 28, 2013 at 4:01 PM | Unregistered CommenterTamsin Edwards

Profuse apologies that you have had to suffer for art in such a cruel manner ;-)

Oct 28, 2013 at 4:04 PM | Registered CommenterJosh

I think what is often misunderstood about the climate communication-thing is that the communicators are supposed to speak, and sceptics are just supposed to listen. (Of course, I exclude Tamsin from this gross generalisation.)

Oct 28, 2013 at 4:15 PM | Unregistered Commentermichael hart

Bish,
May be my browser, IE 9, but when you post a Josh cartoon it doesn't appear fr me. Tried all the usual "show pictures, refresh" etc

Anyone else have problems?

Oct 28, 2013 at 4:20 PM | Unregistered CommenterMike Singleton

Whoever touches pitch will be defiled (Sirach 13:1)

Oct 28, 2013 at 4:32 PM | Unregistered CommenterRichard Tol

Mike, can you try Chrome?

Oct 28, 2013 at 4:35 PM | Registered CommenterJosh

Brilliant Josh. Did you script Blackadder by any chance?

Oct 28, 2013 at 4:41 PM | Registered CommenterPhillip Bratby

Poor Tamsin, can do no right.

Tamsin, nothing wrong with a 'pinnie', on occasion I wear an apron for baking, saves all the mess. Sorry to hear you can't cook but am not surprised :-)

Oct 28, 2013 at 4:45 PM | Unregistered CommenterSwiss Bob

People disagreed with me about what I do - and some were a little, er, strong in expressing their views

Were they "As mad as a well hatted mad hatter with mad hats on a mad hat day. Doing some Mad Hatting" or were they welcoming, rational and open minded like us lot here?

Seriously, they're such a humorlessness bunch I wouldn't want to be on their 'side' even if they're right!

Oct 28, 2013 at 4:50 PM | Unregistered CommenterSwiss Bob

I guess this goes to the same topic as the Gruniad one below. It hangs on should Tamsin talk to us at all - not what we, or Tamsin say to each other. Some people in the CAGW camp don't want any dialogue because they operate in the mode of "don't confuse me with the facts - my mind is made up"

We are always very pleased to have you along Tamsin, and Richard Betts as well. It doesn't matter whether we agree on anything as long as we communicate in a civil and respectful manner ( The Bish wouldn't allow otherwise ) and we stick to science.

Anyway what's wrong with you Tamsin? - even I have been seen in a pinny !!

Oct 28, 2013 at 5:00 PM | Registered Commenterretireddave

retireddave,

A pinnie, really? I had to look it up, probably only worn oop North these days, it's a type of dress, not an apron :-)

Oct 28, 2013 at 5:11 PM | Unregistered CommenterSwiss Bob

Class [sic]

“But I don’t want to go among mad people," Tamsin remarked.
"Oh, you can’t help that," said the Josh: "we’re all mad here. I’m mad. You’re mad."
"How do you know I’m mad?" said Tamsin.
"You must be," said the Josh, or you wouldn’t have come here.”

Oct 28, 2013 at 5:35 PM | Unregistered CommenterAnoneumouse

Those of us who neither know nor care what rubbish is being spouted on Facebook, Twitter and the rest of the 'social media' are feeling rather left out of this spat.

We might be slightly more engaged if we had been told what accusations had been made and what answers had been supplied - but probably not a lot...

Oct 28, 2013 at 5:36 PM | Unregistered CommenterDodgy Geezer

Tempest in A Twitter Teapot

Oct 28, 2013 at 5:43 PM | Unregistered CommenterAnthony Watts

Dodgy, have emailed you some links.

Oct 28, 2013 at 6:04 PM | Registered CommenterJosh

It used to be said " those who can, do. Those who can't, teach".

I will refraze this. Those who can, do. Those who can't, communicate.

Oct 28, 2013 at 6:26 PM | Unregistered CommenterGeorge Steiner

I used to follow Roger Pielke Jr's blog, but he stopped posting my messages because eventually they were all sarcastic and wildly off topic !! I will not engage with the lying, bullying scum of the climate science community I saw threaten Pielke Jr. Not on Twitter or anywhere else.

As a certified Glasgow thug, I would deal with those people whenever I met them in real life. No, it wouldn't be physical violence, it would be public mockery.

Oct 28, 2013 at 6:48 PM | Unregistered CommentereSmiff

Tasmin: Plus I'd never be seen dead in a pinny.
Well it was rather plain, perhaps if it was nicely embroidered with frilly edges and a big useful pocket...

Oct 28, 2013 at 7:05 PM | Unregistered CommenterEddy

@ Mike Singleton - Oct 28, 2013 at 4:20 PM

I recommend Opera Browser.

It's rapid, feature-rich and works via both Windows & OSX

http://www.opera.com

Oct 28, 2013 at 7:20 PM | Unregistered CommenterJoe Public

Nothing wrong with a baking pinny.. I wear one myself, when the occasion demands it.
In fact I tweeted tamsin and others a picture of a cake that I baked for my daughter 6th bday a few days ago.. ie that I was actually capable of doing something more productive than tweeting.

Oct 28, 2013 at 7:48 PM | Unregistered CommenterBarry Woods

Swiss Bob

I bow to your greater knowledge on the subject, but I suppose it can be spelt both ways. I say this advisedly since I am married to a Kathie, not a Kathy.

BUT I was merely following the convention already put in place by Tamsin herself and as a well brought up man of advanced years I would not seek to correct a lady in such circumstances.

I would of course tell Tamsin that it isn't the Earth's climate that she is modelling IMHO. ;-)

Oct 28, 2013 at 8:09 PM | Registered Commenterretireddave

Barry Woods ‏@BarryJWoods 25 Oct
. @cartoonsbyjosh the icing is mightier than the pen ;-)

pic.twitter.com/FJewBPl3aF

Oct 28, 2013 at 9:25 PM | Unregistered CommenterBarry Woods

Swiss Bob:

Where I come from (halfway Up North) a pinafore -pinnie/pinny - has always been an apron. Technically, I suppose, you are right, it is a form of dress, but not in the sense I think you mean dress. It is an all-encompassing wraparound (hence, perhaps, the confusion) article always worn over other clothing - unless one is engaged is some exotic erotic behaviour.

Oct 28, 2013 at 9:35 PM | Unregistered CommenterDavid Chappell

If communicating with sceptics is a good idea, why do people here keep telling me to go away?

Oct 28, 2013 at 9:52 PM | Unregistered Commenterentropic man

What I meant was that if I was a bullied climate scientist, I would confront the perpetrator(s) in public at a conference and laugh at them.

P.S. I would rather spend time in a Russian prison than go to a climate conference. Tee hee.

Oct 28, 2013 at 9:56 PM | Unregistered CommentereSmiff

entropic man, clearly that's a non-sequitur, because you're not a sceptic.

Oct 28, 2013 at 10:26 PM | Registered CommenterSimon Hopkinson

If communicating with sceptics is a good idea, why do people here keep telling me to go away?

Oct 28, 2013 at 9:52 PM | Unregistered Commenterentropic man


----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Many of us don't EM, and you know it. But nice try. Many of us merely disagree strongly with you.

On another thread I recently wrote:

Geronimo, FWIW, I won't be feeding it [the Chandratroll] any more. Not unless it raises it's game to at least the level of Entropic Man. I know Johanna posted an early warning about the Chandra, but I wanted to satisfy myself before calling troll.

One of the reasons I like Bishop Hill is that Andrew Montford sets a good example. The degree of tolerance afforded to those wishing to disagree shames traditional media sources such as The Guardian [..] It is important to me that a website doesn't routinely remove dissenting comments, and that it is plain to see just how much rope trolls are given.

You're the best troll we've got EM.

Oct 28, 2013 at 11:02 PM | Unregistered Commentermichael hart

We would prefer to see Tasmin alive, for a very long time, even if she had to wear a pinny.

Oct 28, 2013 at 11:20 PM | Unregistered CommenterJeff Norman

"Class [sic]

“But I don’t want to go among mad people," Tamsin remarked.
"Oh, you can’t help that," said the Josh: "we’re all mad here. I’m mad. You’re mad."
"How do you know I’m mad?" said Tamsin.
"You must be," said the Josh, or you wouldn’t have come here.”

Oct 28, 2013 at 5:35 PM | Unregistered CommenterAnoneumouse"

Lewis Carroll could see into the future and wrote this for us. Maybe this is what an acid trip feels like.

Oct 28, 2013 at 11:38 PM | Unregistered CommenterTheo Goodwin

What Tamsin, not even HMS?

Oct 29, 2013 at 3:35 AM | Registered Commenterjferguson

Tamsin and everyone else

Roger Pielke Jr. is head and shoulders above everyone in this debate. He claims to believe in Jesus, God and the holy cause of AGW but behaves in the exact opposite way. In the recent Senate hearing, he appeared wearing an Arsenal strip but scored 3 goals for Chelsea. He got away with it.

You can say anything you like as long as you claim to be a believer.

Oct 29, 2013 at 7:37 AM | Unregistered CommentereSmiff

Tamsin "in the tweets".
I suppose we'll all be in the tweets, bye and bye..

Oct 29, 2013 at 8:48 AM | Unregistered CommenterGeoff Cruickshank

eSmiff, shh! Don't blow his cover!

Oct 29, 2013 at 8:48 AM | Registered CommenterSimon Hopkinson

If communicating with sceptics is a good idea, why do people here keep telling me to go away?
Oct 28, 2013 at 9:52 PM | Unregistered Commenterentropic man

Because it seems your interest seems to be mainly in scoring debating points. eg see the above.

Oct 29, 2013 at 3:38 PM | Unregistered CommenterBig Oil

Josh,
Chrome works.

Tx
Mike

Oct 29, 2013 at 4:49 PM | Unregistered CommenterMike Singleton

Josh-
The placement of Tamsin's right hand ... that's just wrong. Funny, but wrong.

Oct 29, 2013 at 6:28 PM | Unregistered CommenterDuke C.

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