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Brilliant!
I lived in Doha for a couple of years, and so it was good to see the lovely colours of the beach, the sea and the sky in the background of this clip of the Valiant Viscount: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=m5Bxo2wLT-s
The CFACT people had a lot of fun over there: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YlXAbi7RSBU
Superb, Josh. No other recent incident has deserved a cartoon more than this.
More on this bold and marvellous event at WUWT: http://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/12/07/monckton-on-his-smashing-u-n-wall-of-silence-on-lack-of-warming-and-censure/
I am so glad both Josh and Monckton are on the side of the angels! Which is of course where all good people belong ...
Funny also how the Camel and the Lord look alike...
Notice how the video on the WUWT link DOESN'T include the alleged "chorus of booing" reported elsewhere.
And as the wise man said to the camel driver : "follow that star."
(Thanks Lou Killen)
I see this story has been run by the Guardian, the Independant and the Telegraph. Only the Telegraph has allowed comments !
Reading a rather dreary report in the FT about Doha I burst out laughing reading this passage tacked on at the end :
I'd love to see video of that :)
Found a youtube video of Monckton making his speech :)
Shot the messenger - says it all.
Josh, great cartoon as always, but one small nitpick. You missed the carbon sequestration mask that the camel was wearing in the cfact video
Funny cartoon Josh and a great account of Monckton's performance from the man himself at WUWT.
"Do Ha ha" really sums it up quite well. A true laugh out loud from me.
F...expletive deleted...ing brilliant. Love the video.
PW
So, Monckton pseudonymously spoke a few uncomfortable truths, and got into trouble for it?
And you wonder why people don't take you seriously...
Tom,
You who?
Brilliant as usual (still waiting on my calendar!)
Tom, this is exactly like the stunts pulled for the last decade or two by Greenpeace. However when Greenpeace do it is applauded as a great idea with acres of media coverage. Sauce for the goose as someone once said.....
Josh, I keep saying best yet, but this did get a LOL, a proper one, not a "Call me Dave" one.
Also crossed my warped mind that "Ha Ha" is a visual illusion!
Looking at the video again.
If this was as truthfully an opportune moment as Monckton says than it strikes me this was a Speilbergian moment of genius that deserves a biopic ;)
I think there is a burgeoning collective acceptance that there is an onset of ennui in the international COP climate bull market. Even the true believers are getting despondent and realising the posturing is empty. It is becoming ever more evident to all and sundry in governments and elsewhere. Even at the Guardian ;)
Tom’s fan boy crying above tends to confirm this observation;)
So the fact that history may now have to acclaim Monckton for rounding off the whole failed multi-decadal process with a rather brilliant coup-de gras by delivering a pithy speech that eviscerates the whole process by simplifies with reality must deserves praise. He may even be given credit. I find it brilliant and funny.
Please let the script pan out that way!
I took a transcript:
I have just posted on my blog on this subject. The problem is that the green movement has set a narrative of a morality play; they just don’t get that the skeptic side is likewise driven by morality and that Monckton’s action should be seen within this frame.
http://newzealandclimatechange.wordpress.com/2012/12/08/the-panto-villain-narrative-and-climate-change/
P.S. Tried to use the 'response is on my own website' function, but did not work.
Monkton's speech was brilliant - this is the funniest thing someone from Rannoch has done since the local policeman arrested himself for crashing his car into a tree after one too many drinks.
lapogus
Tree, Rannoch? Trust said PC was not responsible for felling all of them?
I think Monckton has seen Farage and Hannon in the Europarl and raised them in the UN!
What surprises is that Monckton managed to pull something like this. Usually it is the clownish James 'Crimes Against Humanity' Hansen getting himself arrested.
Looks rather like St. John Philby
Doha hoohah- try listening to Roger Harrabin or Nicholas Stern holding forth on Radio 4 on the latest (non) developments at the conference.
On second thoughts- better not bother. Catastrophism at its most extreme.
The Guardian is looking for a resident blogger on climate. The Bish must apply. Please. And post the results!
Well, a number of posters here should apply also. Go to the Guardian enviro tab and post in the comments to the application form post.
Monkton - polite, respectful,chose his two points very carefully and made them well. The man has huge cojones to be able to pull that off so well.
And where are the boo's?
A 2nd cousin (originally from Dublin now living in Scotland) of mine is a member of the SNP and is totally pro the alarmist's attitudes. He is a massive fan of Windfarms.
From time to time I send him articles from the realist side of the argument. He never replies.
I sent him the Do Ha Ha link.
He must have nearly blown a fuse and here is his response:
Peter,
Monckton is a nutter as are most of his party members that I have met. They are the flat earth, little englanders, who still think that Britannia rules the waves. Given their way rampant pollution would be the norm and nuclear waste would be an incidental issue to be addressed at some time!
WOW!
Christopher Monckton, m'lord, my hats off to you for that brilliant piece of PR mischief and the great write up in WUWT.
I've always found you likeable sir on the account of your eccentricity alone but yesterday in Doha you outdid yourself and may well have earned your way out of my right-wing cranks list.
I am still looking forward to seeing the pictures of you getting arrested one day, and perhaps hopefully your police mugshot too. Don't laugh now. If James Hansen dosen't mind getting arrested for a cause, I expect nothing less from you, sir.
And take James Delingpole with you. In the police cell, you may teach him a few things about how to win without whining.
brilliant, Josh.
don't think Fiona wrote this for laughs, but that's the effect it had on me. it's let's blame the hosts, using anonymous sources for the most part:
8 Dec: Guardian: Fiona Harvey: Climate change talks deadlocked on final day of UN summit
Talks on a new climate deal ground (???) on through Friday night in Qatar, as countries failed to agree on key issues including: rescuing the Kyoto protocol, finance and compensation for poor countries suffering the effects of climate change, and how to structure a proposed new global climate change agreement...
"We have worked without a break and people realise we need to go home with something," said one delegate...
Rumours and counter-rumours were flying as ministers met in small groups and huddles of twos and threes to hammer out compromises. Some meetings were fractious, with delegates conscious of the need avoid a breakdown, which would be disastrous for the image of these talks with the eyes of the world upon the 195 governments meeting in Doha...
One participant said: "It's like the Qataris think it's a World Cup, but this is not a game of football – these are serious negotiations about the future of the planet. They have not taken this seriously – they have not got a grip."
Jake Schmidt, international climate policy director at the Natural Resources Defence Capital, said: "There's a cultural mismatch between the Qatari team and this process. They think deal-making is beneath them. They are not managing very well."
One delegate accused the Qataris of going home early on Thursday instead of working through the night on the draft texts, as hosts are expected to...
Qatar, the world's third biggest exporter of natural gas, is also the world's biggest per capita emitter of carbon – 50 tonnes a year, compared to 17 for the US and 1.4 for India. The country makes the majority of its $170bn annual income from oil and gas...
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2012/dec/08/climate-change-talks-deadlocked-summit
Another cracker from Josh...
pat - thanks for the Fiona Harvey piece - 'talks deadlocked'..? Now that must be a first...!
More worrying is the Roger Harrabin article on the BBC website which concerned the conference wanting the UN to establish the principle of 'big emitting' countries (like the US) 'compensating' smaller countries for the 'damage' they are causing by global warming...
How the hell would you quantify that - even if it were true/enforceable..?
Interesting that Quatar (the hosts) are the biggest 'emitters' on the planet - nearly three times as much per head as the US...
Hmmm.... that's awkward...
Doh ha ha.
DOUGH HA HA, indeed. Because that what's it all 'bout (Alfie) ... to developing countries.
Today I visitied the Guardian Environment page again for the first time, I swear to god or gods if there is any above, in more than a month probably two months even though I read its World and Arab Spring coverage pretty much every day.
The leading story is "the wildlife in pictures". That's OK by me.
The second item on the roll is by George Monbiot entitled, "A New Spirit of Destruction".
II swear to god or gods above, if there is any, to never visit the Guardian Environment again for at least two more months even if I continue to read its World and Arab.Spring coverage every day in that time.
2:02 PM | David
Having caught Mr Harrabin's pronouncements on various radio programs and compared and contrasted with what he gets up to behind the scenes (when it finally comes out) it is clear that he's one mendacious two faced son of a... The chirruping of sweet reasonableness now grates so much that I cannot listen / read any more of his output for my own blood pressure safety.
As to the Qataris - they're a bit like the Norwegians - too much money to know what to do with it and intent on making an impression on the international stage by spraying their money around and posing at ribbon cutting events.
I think it was a mistake by Josh not to put a CO2 mask on the camel ...... :-)
On the whole though - Yee-hah! - Lord Monkton is a star....
I know Qatar and cannot think of a more inappropriate / conflicted spot to have a "climate conference" - I'm half expecting that the Qataris will offer to build the "third world" "free" windmills as long as they get to build a blinged up mosque for every windmill.
BTW, was there a 'bottoms up' event in Doha this year, following on the grand old traditions of earlier events in Cancun two years ago and some place in South Africa last year?
I would have thought a 'bottoms up' protest would prove pretty popular in the land of Lawrence of Arabia.
Or is it because the Qatari police wouldn't just be happy seeing them but carry truncheons in their pockets as well?
Anyone who wants to be amused or appalled by all the drivel emanating from Doha COP18 can view the stream of tweets from twits:
http://twitter.com/search/realtime?q=%23cop18
Or simply search for #COP18 on Twitter.
Right now the stream alternates between UN acolytes trying to claim something of world historical significance has been achieved ("peace for our time") and those even more extreme activists who are wailing that nothing was achieved to save the planet from imminent CAGW.
The current buzz phrases are "climate justice" and "civil society" globally as serving the self-image of the radicals.
Conniev Hedegaard and Christina Figuera are proclaiming triumph, although the main outcome seems to be promises to keep trying to replace the Kyoto Treaty. The zombies of CAGW are like "The Night of the Living Dead"
https://mobile.twitter.com/CHedegaardEU
Do you think if he apologised they would give him his pass back.
Only a camel with its eyes closed could fail to notice Josh's splendid drawing of a climate graph stuck in overdrive a half degree above normal.
Hence the smile on the face of this one- it's looking forward to taking over from Range Rover as Perthshire's preferred mode of transport
uh-oh...UK hasn't fared well...no doubt australia is up for $$$ as well...
9 Dec: Telegraph: : Doha: climate change talks end with compensation deal for poor nations that could cost billions
By Louise Gray, Doha and Richard Gray, Science Correspondent
Angry exchanges between delegations over the measure brought threats of walkouts and even tears from small island states, which pushed to have the new mechanism introduced despite fierce opposition from the United States...
It comes as economists warned that commitments to cut carbon emissions – agreed earlier in the talks as part of negotiations carried out by the European Union as a whole – could cost the British economy around £23 billion by 2020.
Other major economies such as the USA, China and Japan refused to sign up to similar commitments, leaving businesses in the UK and other European countries at a competitive disadvantage...
Ed Davey, the climate change and energy secretary, who is leading the UK delegation, said the UK had backed putting a reference to loss and damage into the agreement and was in favour of stronger targets on climate change.
There were cheers around the Qatar National Convention Centre in Doha yesterday when the final text of the agreement setting out the plan to introduce the compensation measures was passed despite objections from Russia and the USA.
Ed Davey, the climate change secretary, said poor countries were already dealing with rising sea levels and the seepage of salt into water supplies - and rich countries like the UK had a duty to help by developing a loss and damage mechanism.
"I do think we have a duty to help people who are losing their countries below the waves," he said.
Mr Davey said recent floods in Britain showed how important it was to deal with floods...
The exact details of the loss and damage scheme, including how much developed countries will have to pay, are expected to be worked out at future meetings of the UN Framework Convention on Climate Change, next year or in 2014...
However major polluters including China, USA, Canada, Russia and Japan did not sign up to the pact...
David Cameron, the Prime Minister, is likely to face heavy criticism from his backbenches if Britain is left facing expensive carbon cutting targets that are not being matched by industrial competitors.
More than 100 Conservative MPs – including several within the Cabinet – are said to be climate change sceptics.
Clacton MP Douglas Carswell, one of the leading Conservative climate-change sceptics, said: "Britain should have absolutely no part in this. The whole science of climate change is highly questionable. By pursuing new emissions targets we are only accelerating a process of deindustrialisation in Europe, which is transporting manufacturing jobs to other countries.
"The United States was right to oppose this. We would be doing the same if we had democratically accountable people negotiating on our behalf. But we have European Union officials negotiating on our behalf who are immune to the ballot box." ...
There are more than 17,000 delegates attending the talks in the desert in Doha. It is estimated that the talks themselves have had a carbon footprint of more than 40,000 tonnes of carbon dioxide – equivalent to cutting down 64 hectares of rainforest.
The Swarovski chandeliers in the main meeting hall and a skyline of sky scrapers, with delegates ferried around in limousines, have made a surreal setting for the talks. Qatar, one of the world's richest nations, but with plentiful supplies of cheap energy from its oil, has the largest carbon footprint per person in the world...
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/environment/climatechange/9732226/Doha-climate-change-talks-end-with-compensation-deal-for-poor-nations-that-could-cost-billions.html
Pat
Please would you explain the relevance of your last post. It reads like the scribblings of a drunkard with a crayon in a poublic toilet.
Tuned into BBC 4 during a drive here in San Diego and listened to their report on the DOHA meeting . Identical reports at half hour intervals assume that this pattern would repeat through the time cycle. This is propoganda,a simple message requiring no research, repeated by a credible agency and one which brings back unpleasant memories ( I am ww2 vintage), this time in different context.
The BBC reports that Kyoto has been reaffirmed to 2020. By whom, I wonder. Following on a comment by a Mr. Harriban (sp?) insisting that this is the opinion of the scientists. (this is a planet size issue..where is the scientist vote and who are the scientists). The third theme was compensation for 'demise of sea island countries'. Huge bonanza for Seychelles etc. It may get worse.
Imagine what Marty Feldman could do with this cartoon.
An astute comment by Peter Foster in the Financial Post (H/T GWPF)
"If one wished to look at a truly dangerous example of the influence of non-elected groups on public policy, one might point to the 7,000 NGO “observers” at Doha. The conference website claims that through these groups “the citizens of the world have a channel for their voices to be heard.” In fact, they represent a relatively small number of voices with an obstructive and destructive agenda."
Financial Post, 7 December 2012
http://www.thegwpf.org/ritual-farce-doha-finished-cop-19/
Doomsday Preppers on Discovery Channel at the moment
A load of Survivalist in Texas with 15 years of Tin food, Goats , M16s and thousand s of rounds of ammo
In a metal shack .One Torando all blown away.And society will still be there .Back on Social Sercurity
Mayan Calender December 21st 2012
Two weeks time .A Magnetic Polar Shift.Huge Earth Quakes Massive Continental Shift.
Thousands going to some Commune in France with Thousands of others to see in the End Of the World.
Al Gore, Micheal Mann all the Climate Change Boys will be with them?
So December 22nd i think im working nights .So get the End of the World and Christmas and News years Eve Party out the Way and i might take the plunge and get a a new 4G Phone in the January Sales.