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+++BBC Climate 28 revealed+++

Maurizio Morabito has obtained the details of the BBC climate 28. It had been published by the International Broadcasting Trust.

Greenpeace, Tearfund, Television for the Environment (one of the companies involved in the BBC free programming scandal), Stop Climate Chaos, Npower Renewables, E3G, and dear old Mike Hulme from UEA. Just the group you'd want guiding climate change coverage. Read the whole thing.

[For those who don't know what this is about, read the back story here.]

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Great work Maurizio - that list is far worse than I thought that even the BBC could stoop to - incredible!

Nov 12, 2012 at 10:52 PM | Registered Commenterflaxdoctor

Wow. Peter Rippon, meet Lord May, Mike Hulme - and a few others.

I'm sure I've heard that first name somewhere recently?

Good to see some real sceptics like ... er not at all sure.

And what was the point of all that money on FOI against Tony Newbery if the IBT coughed this up anyway?

Nov 12, 2012 at 10:53 PM | Unregistered CommenterRichard Drake

Am actually jumping up and down like a kangaroo at the moment. Biggest thing since the unearthing of the 1974 CIA report.

Tonight, I am good.

Nov 12, 2012 at 10:55 PM | Registered Commenteromnologos

Tonight, Maurizio, you are the best!

Nov 12, 2012 at 10:55 PM | Registered CommenterBishop Hill

It includes "George Entwistle, Head of TV Current Affairs" who has just failed publicly when it came to the crunch.

Many on this list have failed in secret. It is largely a list of shame.

Nov 12, 2012 at 10:57 PM | Unregistered CommenterJohn Shade

Well done, Maurizio. Pick your own medal!!
Too many names on that list that have no business to be "advising" anyone who doesn't already know the answer they want and are determined to get it.

Nov 12, 2012 at 11:00 PM | Registered CommenterMike Jackson

How does the BBC justify spending public money on an attempt to cover up something that had already been published?

Nov 12, 2012 at 11:07 PM | Unregistered CommenterRoy

Congratulations Maurizio, the list shows to me pressure groups and vested interests and not much science. No wonder the BBC wanted it hidden and spent thousands of pounds of public money doing so. The BBC is a shameful biased corrupt institution that should be closed down immediately.

Nov 12, 2012 at 11:07 PM | Unregistered CommenterMike

Nice one - what a crowd! There is a lot of analysis to be had there. At a minimum it should now stop the Beeb spending £40,000 a day of our license money to keep that list out of circulation and promote the myth of expertise. :)

Nov 12, 2012 at 11:07 PM | Registered CommenterThe Leopard In The Basement


Nov 12, 2012 at 11:08 PM | Unregistered Commenternot banned yet

Well done. Now air these points on FoR3!

Nov 12, 2012 at 11:08 PM | Unregistered CommenterCapell

I notice they have people from the US, from China from Denmark from German. They even have two people from greenpeace ...

But as far as I can see:


Nov 12, 2012 at 11:09 PM | Unregistered CommenterMikeHaseler

Maybe The Head of Comedy hailed from Scotland, Mike.

Nov 12, 2012 at 11:12 PM | Unregistered CommenterMary Young

:) :) :) :) :) :) :) :)

I do recommend to use the Waybackmachine list to get all the other names of all the other seminars, from 2004 to 2007. It is the classic "treasure trove" of anything we can think of about the BBC and environmental matters.

Nov 12, 2012 at 11:13 PM | Registered Commenteromnologos

Is anybody going to hold the BBC to account for spending licence payers' money on lawyers to keep secret something that was in the public domain after all?

Nov 12, 2012 at 11:14 PM | Unregistered CommenterTurning Tide

Looks like only 5 scientists: May, Hulme, Bravo, Dahl-Jensen and Widdicombe with only the last three being currently active. All of these have the same viewpoint with respect to AGW and not a single counter opinion in sight.

What a surprise - confirmation bias writ large - Is it any surprise that they came to the same consensus conclusion.

Nov 12, 2012 at 11:15 PM | Unregistered CommenterArthur Dent

Make sure you read the link at the top of the link - if you see wht I mean. Learn someting about the IBT (who?). And then chuckle at Thompson's tirade against the GWPF!

Nov 12, 2012 at 11:16 PM | Unregistered CommenterCapell

Well done Maurizio. At least we all know what they were trying to hide now. I remember Google once saying that if you didn't want something to be found, then you shouldn't have done it!

Has anyone told Tony Newbery? He deserves to know that he won. :)

Nov 12, 2012 at 11:16 PM | Unregistered CommenterFarleyR

I've told Tony.

Nov 12, 2012 at 11:18 PM | Registered CommenterBishop Hill

Is it something about climate alarmists that makes them completely f...g incompetent with technology?

First Phil (Boy) Jones 'loses' all his confidentiality agreements. Then we get to see the sad sad story of Ian (Harry) Harris at CRU in Harry_Read_Me. Now all the Beeb's horses and all the Beeb's men - and all their expensive lawyers - have been outwitted by the esteemed blogger omnologos.

I'm jolly glad that they don't use these computer thingies that they don't understand to run climate models or nuffink.

Nov 12, 2012 at 11:22 PM | Unregistered CommenterLatimer Alder

Great find!! A review of the "28 experts" is stunning (though not really surprising). The public was told this was a group of best science minds, but in fact it is an activist and policy group with hardly any serious scientists present.

Nov 12, 2012 at 11:22 PM | Registered CommenterSkiphil

So, we finally get to see the list of great scientific minds that determined that the science is settled at the BBC.
Well done Maurizio!
Tony Newberry will be smiling tonight.

Nov 12, 2012 at 11:23 PM | Unregistered CommenterBuffy Minton

George Entwistle??? Crumbs! So the DG was in FULL knowledge of the recent court case, and wanted his attendance to be kept secret, and when made DG, didn’t believe it of worth to declare his position as being in direct conflict with the BBC’s legal Charter! That alone is reason to walk, but without any severance pay as that is gross professional misconduct!

Nov 12, 2012 at 11:24 PM | Unregistered Commenterilma630

all advocates for one side - the BBC is busted

Nov 12, 2012 at 11:25 PM | Unregistered CommenterBeeboid

Exceptional work - congratulations!

I suppose it's too much to hope that la Boaden will be forced to pay the ludicrous costs of this exercise in corporate dissembling out of her own pocket, on the grounds that if she had been in possession of even a modest command of her job she would have known it was already available?

Nov 12, 2012 at 11:26 PM | Unregistered CommenterUncle Badger

Thank you Maurizio. Thank you Tony.

... no *really* THANK you both.

Nov 12, 2012 at 11:27 PM | Unregistered CommenterBilly Blofeld

It's quite amazing the positions the BBC delegates were in by the time the Jimmy Savile story broke on 3rd October.

Peter Rippon, editor of Newsnight
Steve Mitchell, his boss
Helen Boaden, his boss's boss, head of News
George Enwistle, her boss, newly crowned director general.

They're weren't as influential when the seminar took place but by last month they were. That's always an interesting sign. Were some of the highly promoted ones, at least, those that showed that they understood the line being propounded and were willing tirelessly to implement it?

All but Entwistle were in those posts when the Newsnight story on Savile was canned late in 2001. The journalists who do the actual and very challenging work on which the BBC's reputation depends - in this case Meirion Jones and Liz MacKean - are nowhere to be seen. But note what MacKean writes in emails at the time about Rippon (as reported by the Daily Mail)

One potentially devastating email from Newsnight reporter Liz MacKean, who oversaw the doomed investigation for the BBC2 programme, discusses the reasons for the report being axed and names her editor, Peter Rippon. It was sent on or around November 30 – 24 hours after Mr Rippon had expressed his firm doubts about the show. In it, Miss MacKean talks about Mr Rippon’s ‘latest panic attack’ and recalls him saying: ‘Internally Liz, this is a very long political chain’, Channel 4 News reported ...

But a BBC source, speaking before last night’s Panorama was broadcast, said: ‘Some of the emails are not going in the programme because of lawyers. They refer to the political command structure that was micro-managing the whole decision making process.’ The source added there were concerns the email would ‘libel certain people in the BBC’. Another insider said the emails were from Miss MacKean and written around November or December last year. The insider confirmed lawyers on Panorama had pulled them from the show.

A third source claimed the contentious emails referred to a ‘chain’ going ‘right to the top’. Miss MacKean has declined to comment. Last night Panorama did report that Miss MacKean was left with the clear impression that Mr Rippon was ‘feeling under pressure’. On November 30, she emailed a friend documenting a conversation she had had with her editor, writing: ‘PR [Peter Rippon] says if the bosses aren’t happy... [he] can’t go to the wall on this one.’

Now we see every one of the official chain 'right to the top' attending this key seminar, without pesky journalists to bother them and (just perhaps) ask awkward questions of the NGO 'scientists'. The Savile issue is a sideshow, I realise, in a sense, except it's a trail of deception the general public is passionate about, leading to every single one in this chain currently being removed from their posts. Jean Seaton, official historian of the BBC, had some very useful thoughts at the Frontline Club last week on why this issue has such power, in case you've missed that. It surely means we've been handed the list, courtesy of Maurizio, at a wonderfully opportune time.

Nov 12, 2012 at 11:27 PM | Unregistered CommenterRichard Drake

This calls for a glass of the good stuff. Cheers Maurizio.

Nov 12, 2012 at 11:29 PM | Registered CommenterDreadnought

The list of titles of the non-BBC attendees says it all:

Advocacy Director
Climate campaigner
CO2 Project Manager
Executive Director
Head of Campaigns
Policy Director
TV/multimedia producer

Nov 12, 2012 at 11:34 PM | Registered CommenterMikeHaseler

Latimer, I am going to steal that one.

Richard, I do not see BBC News survive unless it's completely taken out of the BBC.

Nov 12, 2012 at 11:34 PM | Registered Commenteromnologos

Anyone from the MSM reading? This is a good story to pile on top of all the BBC's recent bad news. Wasting thousands of pounds of license payer's money on deliberately attempting to prevent the release of a list that had already been published on the internet.

I hope no-one from the Norfolk Police is reading - using the wayback machine probably counts as 'hacking' in their book. Keep the door barred Maurizio! :)

Nov 12, 2012 at 11:34 PM | Unregistered CommenterBilly Liar

To quote the IPCC, "it is worse than we thought".

What an utter bunch of losers.

Are they really the ignorant, bigoted buffoons who decide what we, the people who actually pay these wasters, should actually hear on the news?

Sack the lot of them.

Nov 12, 2012 at 11:35 PM | Unregistered CommenterDon Keiller

One might ask though what the Church if England is doing having representation at a 'secret' meeting. The Christian faith must be the most open and transparent of beliefs - nothing should be hidden. It must also be supportive of bettering the human condition, not treating it with contempt.

There is however a group within the CofE called 'Shrinking the Footprint' that's totally wedded to CAGW, and doesn't understand that the environmentalist program is diametrically opposed to Christianity, i.e. puts gaia before man and considers man as a "cancer on the earth". There are a few of us within the CofE however that see fossil fuels as part of God's "good" creation and gift to man, and that CO2 is a vital part of the cycle of life itself. From this Christian perspective then, God designed Earth's processes with man burning fuels as an INTEGRATED part, not an unintended cancerous growth. Apologies to the non-religious, I'm not preaching, but sharing a Biblical perspective that actually agrees with and supports a scientific scepticism that desires scientific truth.

Nov 12, 2012 at 11:35 PM | Unregistered Commenterilma630

I wonder if the BBC are going to publish anything on this astonishing story?

Nov 12, 2012 at 11:35 PM | Unregistered CommenterFarleyR

Only around 6 are from ENGLISH universities. So, I wondered what area of the climate they specialised in. I start with the first name of the list:

Robert, Lord May of Oxford Department of Zoology

Why not the department of needlework and making things with sticky tape and awarding blue Peter badges? (Sarc off)

Nov 12, 2012 at 11:40 PM | Registered CommenterMikeHaseler


'Latimer, I am going to steal that one'.

Steal away, dear heart, steal away! We are all eternally in your debt for your smart and influential work.

I am having great difficulty in stopping laughing. It really isn't the Beeb's week is it.......? May it go yet further downhill.

Nov 12, 2012 at 11:40 PM | Unregistered CommenterLatimer Alder

I didn't know about the "IBT" connection. It seems that the whole thing was held at their behest and, given that they are a lobbying group, there was only going to be one type of "expert" on the panel. The story that the BBC has previously given, or at least implied, was the the CMEP meeting was some kind of independent meeting of great scientific minds not some tawdry warm-o-fest of NGO activists.
The activities and political leanings of the BBC really are beyond parody or contempt.
And all financed by the licence payer.....

Nov 12, 2012 at 11:40 PM | Unregistered CommenterBuffy Minton

Blimey, it's only November, and Christmas is here! Kudos to Maurizio - this is indeed a triumph!

Nov 12, 2012 at 11:42 PM | Unregistered CommenterAlex Cull

To quote some old stuff from November 2009

'A miracle has occurred'

Nov 12, 2012 at 11:44 PM | Unregistered CommenterLatimer Alder

Apologise ... Lord May does have an opinion about climate as shown here:

Nov 12, 2012 at 11:46 PM | Registered CommenterMikeHaseler

Let me repeat for the slowest journos that might be reading this.

The list has been obtained perfectly legally. It is available for all to see in the Wayback Machine. You don't need no secret code or password and no knowledge of source code of any type.

All you need is to find a broken link on a publicly-available page on the publicly-available IBT website and the ability to do "copy link address" with any ordinary mouse, then "paste" with the same mouse in the appropriate field in the Wayback Machine.

If persistence is a crime, I am in for a life sentence.

Nov 12, 2012 at 11:47 PM | Registered Commenteromnologos

What could that lot have talked about all day? Was it just a 10 min pep talk and then slag off the British public over nibbles?

Nov 12, 2012 at 11:48 PM | Unregistered CommenterTinyCO2

and there i was watching djokovic beat federer!

omg, thanx to tony newbery for really starting to get the ball rolling. time for an appeal.

thanx to maurizio, u r incredible.

thanx to bish, anthony, steve mac, joannenova, orlowski & everyone i've left out but who know who they are.

BP, the Insurance Industry...and all the other usual suspects.

btw Matthew Farrow is head of CBI Scotland, so there u go, Mike Haseler.

Matthew Farrow is Head of Policy at CBI Scotland. He joined the CBI in 1990, having studied History at Christ's College, Cambridge and has worked on issues including education and training, the growth of smaller firms, and tourism. His final post in London was Head of Smaller Firms and Tourism Policy. Early in 1999, Matthew was appointed to a new post at CBI Scotland, entitled Head of Policy. In this position Matthew is responsible for all the policy development carried out by CBI Scotland on behalf of its members.

BBC Meltdown.

Nov 12, 2012 at 11:49 PM | Unregistered Commenterpat

Surely Delingpole will go to Town on this one!

Nov 12, 2012 at 11:52 PM | Unregistered CommenterMike

Here's the entirely unbiased expert from the Open University, Dr Poshendra Satyal:

...At the [Crichton Carbon Centre], Poshendra’s work is at the interface between research and policy on the distributional and equity impacts of climate change mitigation, with a particular focus on i) public perceptions of, and attitudes towards, environmental rights, responsibilities and the concepts of environmental and climate justice in the context of climate change mitigation; and ii) the societal and equality impacts of climate change mitigation proposals, policies and plans. The post is a part of the multi-disciplinary ClimateXChange – Scotland’s Centre of Expertise on Climate Change that involves a number of Scottish universities and research centres (including the Centre) and is funded by the Scottish Government. In particular, the research uses a climate justice frame and explores how equity and justice considerations relate to the performance of mitigation policies, plans and programmes in Scotland (including their potential conflicts, synergies, and differential impacts).

WTF is "a climate justice frame"? What branch of science is that?

Nov 12, 2012 at 11:57 PM | Unregistered CommenterBuffy Minton

I've just been looking at IBT's accounts for 2011. Their income for 2011 was £155,146 of which £154,146 was from grants, £89 in bank interest and £911 from donations and membership. They make no mention of whether the grants came from private institutions or government departments.

Nov 13, 2012 at 12:00 AM | Unregistered CommenterTerryS

Has Helen Boaden committed perjury?

Nov 13, 2012 at 12:01 AM | Unregistered CommenterMike

In net space, everyone can hear you scream. And again. And again. Forever.

Nov 13, 2012 at 12:01 AM | Unregistered CommenterTinyCO2

Presumably the contrasting views of the scientists, mentioned by Hugs Boaden, were over what kind of biscuit to have with their tea. I doubt there were any contrasting views over how the BBC should cover "Climate Change".

Nov 13, 2012 at 12:02 AM | Unregistered CommenterBuffy Minton

From p2 of the International Broadcasting Trust document Maurizio found:

"The aim.
The aim of the seminars is to change minds and hearts. We want to talk about the
developing world in a way that is interesting, engaging and provocative, so that the BBC
participants and independent producers come away convinced that this is an area which
their programmes should no longer ignore. We are not pitching ideas and have no
guarantees that specific programmes will be commissioned on these issues. Our goal,
therefore, is to bring to life stories and issues from the developing world. We shall not be
talking in detail about tv coverage so we do not need participants to have a detailed
knowledge of British television."

How on earth does this tally with the event as described on p 40 of From Seesaw to Wagon Wheel: Safeguarding Impartiality in the 21st Century whichTony referenced:

"The BBC has held a high-level seminar with some of the best scientific experts, and has come to the view that the weight of evidence no longer justifies equal space being given to the opponents of the consensus."

Tony and Maurizio dig out what BBC star journo just took for granted:

Newsnight - goodnight!

Nov 13, 2012 at 12:05 AM | Unregistered Commenternot banned yet

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