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Bishop Hill
Bishop Hill Beyond repair
Jun 20, 2011 Conservatives Energy Our glorious government here in the UK is considering subsidising the Irish wind industry.
THE BRITISH government could massively subsidise the Irish wind energy industry under proposals to be considered in London today.
Britain believes the west coast and the seas around Ireland can provide it with a large amount of its renewable energy and could be willing to subsidise offshore wind farms there.
Industry groups here say such a move could be worth up to €1.6 billion a year to the Irish economy.
These clowns really have to go don't they?
Reader Comments (46)
What? Does Cameron have Irish family that also need propped up?
Look on the bright side Bish! I observed several Wind Turbine units being unloaded from a ship here in Cyprus a few weeks ago. On a run along the motorway to the Nicosia last week I noticed the same units had quickly been installed and 90% of the blades were fitted in the bottom of a valley!
Sadly the ones already installed around this lovely island do not produce an online production chart but....(and here we go)....
they are managed by DK Wind Supply. Financing for the project was secured by Platina Partners LLP, a private equity fund adviser specialising in renewable energy, with the European Investment Bank (EIB) providing 50% of the project’s debt.
Its like an itch you cannot reach to scratch!
Proof, if still needed, that the lunatics really are running the asylum. - Or should one say Hunatics?
Cameron just doesn't give a monkey's about the core Tory vote. He thinks it has nowhere else to go. So he concentrates on prostituting himself to Guardian readers.
Yet again, the ignorance is astounding. Note:
Sorry, formatted my last post wrongly. Try again.
Yet again, the ignorance is astounding. Note:
How many idiots are there around promoting renewable energy who don't know the difference between power and energy? Is it deliberate propaganda policy to get it wrong?
And at the head of the queue of such idiots stand all the energy ministers we have had in the last 14 years.
My Irish g.f might ask if there is no end to the fecking misery that you English bastards are prepared to inflict upon the peace loving Irish people. Cromwell the Great Famine, Emigration, Jack Charlton and now wind farms.
And in return they send us Sir Terry Wogan, Westlife, Saint Bob and Thin Lizzy
Its not a fair deal.
Those huhne the gods wish to destroy, they first turn mad......
Not only do they have to go, they have to go in a way that they can never come back.
I watched John Craven on the BBC's 'Countryfile' last evening, a programme I normally enjoy but have some reservations about, and was so bloody angry with Craven I had to switch the set off when he had completed his piece of arrant Green puffery about the naughty government not going ahead with feed in-tarifs of immense proportions to the 'entrepreneurs' who now cannot afford to instal these mad devices. He mentioned nothing about the downside of this idea and fawned on German showmen who insisted that '100% solar is the only way to go' but not a critical or negative word was to be heard. This was not 'investigative journalism' but blatant Green advocacy of the shallowest and most obvious kind.
I have looked at the Countryfile website but can find nowhere to lodge a complaint - can anyone advise me, please?
Alexander K, I thought you were a fellow Kiwi. Where do you get to watch the BBC stuff? (Not that I want to see any 'Craven' propaganda.)
Alexander
TonyN of Harmless Sky has long experience of complaining to the BBC. It seems to require some patience...
Link
The usual energy-illiterate (pro-renewables) nonsense from the government. Renewables won't save the planet, they will bankrupt it.
Jun 20, 2011 at 9:30 AM | Gixxerboy
Try this:
http://vpnuk.net/
Alexander: I saw the programme and was horrified at the blatant propaganda and misinformation. John Craven is one of the uneducated BBC greenies who know nothing about the issue of renewables and can't even ask any sensible questions. Nothing about how is your town going to get all its energy from solar and wind (at night when the wind isn't blowing)?
It is a waste of time complaining to the BBC as you get the stock brush-off response. Best to send a comment to http://www.biased-bbc.blogspot.com/
This is the best bit:
"The British government is considering directly subsidising electricity through its feed-in tariff system, which would be a subsidy to private investors operating on Irish territory. It could also operate by a system known as “supplier obligation”, whereby British power companies would be mandated to buy a certain amount of renewable energy from Irish sources."
Who installs the interconnectors, oh wait, perhaps that (fill in your own abusive term) Charles Hendry thinks the juice will be exported from Ireland using 40 tonne artics loaded up with boxes of AA batteries.
Brownedoff
;-)
However, the wind-weary Danes seem to be getting the message
Vindmøllevinger er et enormt miljøproblem
link
Executive summary: Damned hard to recycle all those turbine blades past their use-by dates.
"the peace loving Irish people" :-o
Good golfers, though...
Thanks to all who gave me useful suggestions re complaining to the BBC.
Gixxerboy, you got it right! I watch the Beeb in my house in a leafy London suburb right under a major flight path for Heathrow, but not for much longer - home soon, after almost a decade here. It's been great catching up on my UK rellies, who are lovely people but them and us have evolved into different species after three generations of separation. The UK countryside is lovely too, but I miss the big lakes, tall mountains, beaches and bush, but most of all I miss Kiwis. I know we have our share of idiots, and some of our Kiwi politicians have some damned odd ideas, but the UK pollies are mostly Green huhnatics who are so convinced of CAGW that they are throwing every bit of the taxpayers' money at it they can, plus whatever they can beg, borrow or steal is being given away to every NGO they can find operating in Africa..The amount of historic guilt dredged up in the UK about our great-great-grandparents' generation and the goings-on on the Dark Contininent amazes me; as a child of British colonialism I recognise that some of it was pretty horrible, but much of it was quite magnificent too and I am convinced that the irredeemably nasty Mugabe and his ilk are far worse for Africa and Africans than the general run of British Colonial officials and settlers ever were. And I do read history.
If the Govt subsidised the brewing industry to the tune of £1 per pint, so that brewers could sell beer below cost price and still make a profit, it would probably be worth more than £1.6billion to the economy.
This is Royal Ballet/National Opera economics, where the only beneficiaries are those with self interest
Brownedoff - thank you very much, I shall look into the best way to hook that up but it seems like a grand plan.
Alexander K - welcome home mate. Know what you mean about different species. I love my UK rellies but I could no more live there than on the moon. I happen to think that we (NZ) live in the freest country in the world. Less free than it used to be, but still. And at least the current Gummint is inching back that way (albeit glacially). Key has got the backing of the NZ public who, on things like AGW, seem able to spot a wrong 'un. Maybe it's because so many of us spend so much of our time in the outdoors. Going fishing on Wednesday. Winter, but blue skies and 17C and the fishing has been spectacular for the last year. PDO?
Will Huhne be forced to retreat?....
http://fenbeagleblog.wordpress.com/
Well here's one man's take on the subject......
http://www.businessinsider.com/greece-turns-to-the-last-refuge-of-doomed-economies-green-energy-2011-6
"These clowns really have to go [...]."
Unfortunately they are probably the least bad clowns we're likely to get, so you are asking to make things worse.
Tragically, Roy may be correct.
Latimer Alder (and James P) re: "My Irish g.f might ask if there is no end to the fecking misery that you English bastards are prepared to inflict upon the peace loving Irish people"
And a hearty hi-yo, Silver, away! (Quick, to the Batmobile, Robin) -- Arf, says Sandy
"Please, I want more, Sir (sniffle)..."
"Fecking".... HAR HAR HAR HAR HAR ...(who let that Irish dog in here?!)
In other words, I agree they (all of them, everyone) are ridiculous. Before you vote them out, you need to spay them. It's the only responsible thing to do.
I think this is a great idea. Certain Irish people will be able to attack UK infrastructure without even leaving their territory.
As I write - wind is providing 0.1% - let me clarify that for any thickos in government who haven't got it yet - that's ZERO POINT ONE PER CENT of UK electricity demand...
You see.... how can I put this so that even politicians can understand...
WHEN THE WIND DOESN'T BLOW, WIND TURBINES DON'T WORK.
Anything I've said there which you are struggling with, Cameron/Huhne/et al...??
O/T
Robin Horbury of Biased BBC has updated his expose of the conflict of interest inherent in the BBC's pension fund investment strategy [link]:
Andrew Glickson's comment
"
Responsible people do not, unless fully qualified and experienced:
1. Enter a jet's cockpit to tell the pilot how to handle the plane in the midth of a storm.
2. Interfere with critical surgery telling surgeons what to do.
3. Tell people to keep smoking tobacco despite medical warning to the contary.
In all these cases lives are in stake.
As is the case with climate science where, based on the most up-to-date measurements and on the basic laws of physics and chemistry of the atmosphere, the world's premier science organizations (NASA/GISS, Colorado NSIDC, Potsdam Climate Impacts, Hadley-Met, CSIRO, BOM and so on), the world's academies of science and the bulk of the scientific peer review journals - indicate a major shift is taking place in the atmosphere/ocean/cryosphere conditions which allowed the emergence of agriculture and civilization since about 10,000 years ago.
"
So Andrew Glickson thinks (on the bais of what, we don't know) that climate scientists are like jet pilots and surgeons.
"Could" 1st para
"Believes" 2nd para
"Could" 2nd para
"Could" 3rd para.
Just 8 lines in 3 short paragraphs, but a lot of unconditionals for such a short piece.
I'd wait for something more specific. Maybe it's only lobbyists talking up their client's case.
Meanwhile the Irish continue to burn peat, even though the EU has told them not to.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/jun/20/irish-turf-cutters-eu-ruling
Fenbeagle
"Emperor Huhnapart"
:-)
I left the UK in 1989 and now live in northern Japan. I miss pies and pints. I run the various CAGW speculations and 'solutions' past the (long suffering) good lady from time to time.
CAGW? Off the agenda, Kyoto is dead. Sea level rise? Never heard of it. Renewables to supply Japanese manufacturing? You jest!
Sorry to yurrup and the land of UK. Your political and chattering classes want to make you poor. There's no appetite for that here.
O/T but interesting. Cate's leading the PR for a carbon tax in Australia.
“Carbon Cate buys beachfront property… in Vanuatu”
http://www.australianclimatemadness.com/2011/06/carbon-cate-buys-beachfront-property%E2%80%A6-in-vanuatu/
Looks like Cate’s property investment advisors have spotted the same buying opportunity as Al Gore’s. Isn’t Vanuatu that little island about to be submerged?
Pointman
Hi, Gixxerboy, you are so right. I love the UK and rellies and friends here, but, like you, I just don't belong here. I'm not much for fishing which I find incredibly boring, but I have some antique cameras that need some wild landscape work! - can't wait"
David: your post is absolutely typical of the misleading information we've come to expect from sceptics. You say "wind is providing 0.1%" of electricity demand. That's completely incorrect: it's currently 0.2%. Yes, double your figure.
I'm a goer for this.
Our house is right beside the Broadmeadow Estuary between Malahide and Swords in Nth County Dublin. Google 1 Gartan Drive.
Now, the estuary is a protected area and it is home to many species of birds. We have up to 100 mute swans most days, occasional whoopers, lots and lots of ducks of all sorts, geese, and all kinds of smaller birds from finches, sparrows, blackcaps, wrens, starlings, swallows, martins. You name it, we've got it and in migration times through the year, we get the migratory birds. And we have bats too.
Now, if I get a permission to set up a windmill in my back garden, I could more than likely make a fair bit of money from grants, kill off a large number of swans (who drop a lot of guano in the water, so they are polluters), massacre all the bats, birds, annoy my neighbours, frighten children,you name it.
Where do I apply?
10 Downing Street perhaps!
Come on, Thin Lizzy weren't that bad...
"David: your post is absolutely typical of the misleading information we've come to expect from sceptics. You say "wind is providing 0.1%" of electricity demand. That's completely incorrect: it's currently 0.2%. Yes, double your figure."
Only about half as useless as we thought then. That really puts an entirely different face on things.
It would be so much better if you Brits just sent us the money in a cheque, drawable in Euros, of course.
Seriously, don't forget that you also still own about 20% of the island, the northern end, more or less. Perhaps that is what he meant.
I also remember stories about mad dogs and English men in the noonday sun. Has the sun been out too much due to Climate Change?
I sincerely hope that Robin Guenier is being ironic!
Most Electric cars are charged via the mains. According to Robert's ironic post this source contains just 0.2% of wind-generated energy.
Given that conventional IC engines can use up to a 15% bioethanol blend with petroleum/gasoline without requiring conversion then, surely, driving an electric car is up to 75 times LESS-GREEN than the petrol-driven car!
I propose that all electric cars and vans that steal, utility bill-funded, electricity should have to display a £500 pa Road-Tax licence and that all schoolchildren be taught to mock and jeer at anyone seen driving them.
PS - and be encouraged to throw snowballs at them. Come to think of it, though, it's hard to see how anyone would be foolhardy enough to drive one in a Scottish winter if it's anything like the last fw!
Saw a lovely example of brainwashing propaganda by brainwashed delusionists today, and at the public teat too!
The place, Kirkcaldy in Fife,Scotland. The former made infamous by ex-PM Gordon Brown; the latter made legendary by Scottish scientists, engineers and economists.
For a few weeks now, and not far away from where I work, there has sat a brand-new, small, electric van that has all the elegance of a Trabant but without the aesthetics.
Today it actually moved out of the car-park and a few hours later came back sporting a full set of body-tattoos.
Apparently, it belongs to an organisation called "Fife Shopping and Support Services".
No idea what they do but I'm sure that their activities are aimed at helping people. No issues,for me,with that.
It's another sign/slogan on the vehicle that I'm not impressed by.
"Electric Vehicle charged from 100% local wind power at ...."
Underneath this is what I take to be the logos of sponsors.
Fife council, Pure Energy Centre, The Hydrogen Office and one other that I've forgotten but it does have a Scottish flag on it.
The 100% local wind charging claim is, of course, total misleading nonsense. It's parked directly in front of the office, in a disabled bay, and gets filled up by a flying lead.
No windmills for miles! They are just telling porkies.
As for the Pure Energy Centre and the Hydrogen Office, never heard of them before.
If the Good Bishop wants, I could send a picture of this piece of 21st Century foolishness.
Stonyground & DougS:
He was. ("Being ironic")