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Dec152011

A mountain of evidence - Josh 135

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Nice one!

One of the rare rational observations amongst all the conspiracy theorists who have come out to play today.

Dec 15, 2011 at 12:53 PM | Unregistered Commenterclivere

Yes, all the panic and harumphing is a bit much considering what has actually happened. Plods want to look as if they are 'on the case' - copy some HDs from someone who knows nothing. All the ruffled feathers just stoke dana and his ilk to think we're on a back foot. We're not.

Dec 15, 2011 at 12:54 PM | Unregistered CommenterTheBigYinJames

If I were Tallbloke I'd be worried that they planted something really bad on the PCs to make him look bad or arrest him, mybe not even climate related.

Dec 15, 2011 at 12:57 PM | Unregistered CommenterJace

Quick on the draw there Josh, nice one!

Dec 15, 2011 at 1:07 PM | Unregistered CommenterFrosty

Superb, it had me in stitches.

Dec 15, 2011 at 1:10 PM | Unregistered CommenterPhillip Bratby

Uh, clivere, Andrew Montford's new book is titled:

"Conspiracy in Green"

Excellent timing in fact.

Dec 15, 2011 at 1:20 PM | Unregistered CommenterScott

TheBigYinJames... you took your opinion here, so I will as well... the State cloning someone's life information without recall or knowledge of its use, where the crime is not "treason" and where the person has not been directly accused or cautioned, is not "panic and harumphing ", it is called civil liberties.

Dec 15, 2011 at 1:23 PM | Unregistered CommenterJiminy Cricket

LOL - your best yet, Josh! Brilliant!

Dec 15, 2011 at 1:34 PM | Unregistered CommenterRobB

Not a Sparc in sight - nor an ADSL router.

I'd love to know what they think a router can tell them.

Dec 15, 2011 at 1:48 PM | Unregistered Commentersteveta_uk

Police: "Whats a scuzzy drive then?"
ACPO/Detica: "More money!"

I wonder if the senior officer looked at Tallbloke's mountain then had a bit of a budget crisis. It's also a shame the police didn't follow the same procedure to try and recover evidence from the allegedly hacked RC server.

So this week, we've learned that the IPCC and climate scientists consider themselves above the law, and ordinary taxpayers are not.

Dec 15, 2011 at 2:00 PM | Unregistered CommenterAtomic Hairdryer

Is that a Amstrad 1512 I see before me!

Dec 15, 2011 at 2:09 PM | Unregistered CommenterMac

Does Tallbloke actually wear an undersized stetson?

Dec 15, 2011 at 2:16 PM | Unregistered CommenterTheBigYinJames

This event will shock, then anger, then strengthen the resolve of all who wish the CO2 Chicanery to be exposed for what it is, and for the profoundly unimpressive (in moral and intellectual senses, but not political and financial ones) people involved to be exposed for what they are. The peculiar staged CG releases by FOIA have been immensely helpful, but not essential for this task. But they are also of great symbolic value as a gesture by someone presumably without institutional power, and as a source to inspire waves of new campaigners who would like to see higher moral and intellectual standards than those these emails so vividly display. Naturally, there are those who do not care to see this happening, and this rude intrusion into Tallboy's privacy may be a hint of their getting more than a little bit agitated. Let us hope so, and in the meantime, wish Tallboy a speedy return to an even keel after this little squall out of the blue.

Dec 15, 2011 at 2:48 PM | Unregistered CommenterJohn Shade

'Tallbloke' that is!

Dec 15, 2011 at 2:48 PM | Unregistered CommenterJohn Shade

steveta_uk Dec 15, 2011 at 1:48 PM

I'd love to know what they think a router can tell them.

If it's an ADSL modem/router, at very least his logon details for his ISP, presumably.

What does a router hold in its cache? Does its cache survive being powered down?

Dec 15, 2011 at 2:50 PM | Unregistered CommenterMartin A

Re: Martin A

If it's an ADSL modem/router, at very least his logon details for his ISP, presumably.

Mine doesn't even appear to have that. Authentication is performed using my telephone number.

Dec 15, 2011 at 3:26 PM | Unregistered CommenterTerryS

TerryS

That sounds as if I could turn up as your guest and then (without necessarily asking) plug in any old ADSL modem and have internet access.

I think that my modem (here in France) holds my ADSL logon id and logon password - I have to re-enter them via the modem's configuration screen if I replace the modem. I think it also checks the number of my phone line.

Dec 15, 2011 at 3:40 PM | Unregistered CommenterMartin A

Re: Martin A

That sounds as if I could turn up as your guest .... plug in any old ADSL modem and have internet access.

That's sounds about right. Here are the instructions from my service provider (my bold):

If you have any such device that you feel more comfortable with, you will need to input the following values:

1) vci=101 and vpi=0.

2) ADSL bridging should enabled (as per RFC 1483).

3) When configuring the WAN (DSL interface), you would get an option asking whether your ISP authenticates with user/pass or not - you have to choose NO in there, as we require no username and/or password for access to our network.

4) Connection type is IPoEoATM.

5) Multiplexing is LLC-based. If you are able to choose the LLC type it should be set to SNAP.

Let me know when you plan to visit...

Dec 15, 2011 at 3:50 PM | Unregistered CommenterTerryS

Router stuff would depend on the service provider and router. Usually there's a username/password for authentication and line (or port ID) gets used at the exchange by the service provider as well. Rest depends on the router. Most don't have much logging built in, or much NVRAM to keep logs when it's powered off. Seizing the router would allow it's MAC address to be checked against ISP logs to help prove connections or connection attempts. The RIPA and search warrants for this could make interesting reading for a privacy lawyer though. RIPA was supposed to discourage fishing trips.

Dec 15, 2011 at 3:55 PM | Unregistered CommenterAtomic Hairdryer

If I were Tallbloke I'd be worried that they planted something really bad on the PCs to make him look bad or arrest him, mybe not even climate related./

Yep, we will know who FOIA the day we hear about an ex-UEA employee done on child porn charges.

Dec 15, 2011 at 4:26 PM | Unregistered Commentergrassmarket

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2011/12/14/uk-police-seize-computers-of-skeptic-in-england/#more-53088

Pamela Gray says: Does this mean that climate warming causes seizures?

Dec 15, 2011 at 4:59 PM | Unregistered CommenterMessenger

Terry

"Authentication is performed using my telephone number"

Maybe Plod will be back to Tallbloke's place with his router, asking if they can interrogate it there.. :-)

Dec 15, 2011 at 5:23 PM | Unregistered CommenterJames P

Pamela Gray (and Messenger) said: "Does this mean that climate warming causes seizures?"

Calling Numberwatch ...
" ... health risks, health risks (even more), heart deaths, heart disease, heart attacks and strokes (Australia) ... "

Yep. It's on John Brignall's list.
http://www.numberwatch.co.uk/warmlist.htmthe list.

Dec 15, 2011 at 5:40 PM | Unregistered CommenterAlan Bates

Big Yin, yes, he does, and he is tall too.

Dec 15, 2011 at 6:07 PM | Unregistered CommenterJosh

"Is that a Amstrad 1512 I see before me!"

heh.

"Why hast thou brought this router from the place!?"

Dec 15, 2011 at 6:49 PM | Unregistered Commentermojo

This might be all show. Remember that climatology is mostly about appearance with very little substance. We know some things.

1. FOIA is very clever and thorough. He (or she or they) have taken a lot of trouble to filter out a select group of emails from millions on the UEA servers. Then they claim to have deposited 200,000 more on a Russian server behind an unbreakable password.
2. Despite a forensic investigation of the computer systems at UEA, nothing was found. FOIA did not leave tracks on the massive file transfer. http://www.bishop-hill.net/blog/2011/6/22/whats-up-with-norfolk-police.html
3. FOIA is cool enough to have lain low for two years whilst sifting through 5,000 emails.
4. FOIA has effectively "taken hostages". Though not so serious as a bank robber threatening to shoot real people unless he is let free, it does make any subsequent prosecution far more serious. The implication is that FOIA is playing for high stakes.

So why would FOIA be remiss enough to leave a trace on Tallbloke's computer, or the Wordpress servers? Climate is highly politicized, and the release of the emails has damaged the reputations and credibility of a lot of people who have based their arguments on credibility. At the very minimum the police must be seen to be doing something, and hoping that FOIA has made a mistake.

Dec 15, 2011 at 10:56 PM | Unregistered CommenterManicBeancounter

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