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Bishop Hill The Greenhouse Conspiracy
Jan 1, 2011 Bureaucrats Climate: other I'm sure many of my readers have seen this 1990 documentary on the greenhouse effect - sort of an early version of the Great Global Warming Swindle - but it's the first time I've seen it.
I was struck firstly by how shifty-eyed Tom Wigley and John Mitchell come across, particularly when Wigley is asked about funding at around 46 mins. If you don't want to invest the time in the full video, this is the excerpt to watch.
Then there is the clear statement by the late Reginald Newell that he had his funding cut because of he had published a paper that undermined the greenhouse theory.
It's all rather amazing how little the debate has moved on in twenty years.
Reader Comments (21)
Better quality here...
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Thanks, I've posted an update.
Which of the six videos is the one to watch with Wigley coming across as shifty-eyed, please?
Martin A;
Part 5 at about 4 minutes in.
One day the debate must get out of the blogosphere into the mainstream, and the history of the debate, with clear reliable quotes from participants, will be vital. One of the most useful things we footbloggers can do, I think, is transcribe documents like this. (Alex Cull, Ben Pile and I recently did this to the Brian Cox Lecture and put the result up at Harmless Sky). Once my mother-in-law is fed and watered, I’ll start work on video 1. Any offers of help?
If my children were younger, i would try and persuade them to watch these videos. I think that they are as relevant today as they were when they were filmed.
Pretty well all of the debate has been captured in the series and many of our current heros are featured. Long may they continue with our support and admiration.
Well worth watching the whole series in my opinion.
Ahh yes, Uncle Tom Wriggley
At about the 38 minute mark it did say that increasing CO2 may well cause a cooling trend........
I didn't say it, it's in the vid.
geoffchambers
I like the notion of "footbloggers". Did you have Kipling in mind?
"We're foot-blog-blog-blog-bloggin' over climate change -
Foot-foot-foot-foot-bloggin' over climate change-
(Words-words-words-words-movin' up an' down again!)
There's no discharge in the war!"
Hilary Lawson, interestingly enough is the author of "Dismantling Truth: Science in Post-Modern Times". He and Ravetz should debate! He has an impressive list of broadcast science and current affairs programmes to his credit and appears to have been Channel 4's Brian Cox of the 90's.
geoffchambers, I may have a stab at the last one if I have time...
aardvark, just before High Noon: And there you have it.
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Heh, that Wriggle of Tiggle is just under a minute, and is comical. As in cartoon.
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geoffchambers
Hi, this is 6. Very short! Not sure where you want this. Don't mean to clog up this thread, but some nice parting thoughts from Pat Micheals...
HL:
…that, is it the millennium that encourages notions of an apocalypses? Or simply that in a world without belief…we need a catastrophe to give us something to believe in. Where for once, in a battle between nature and humankind we can line up on the side of good against the forces of evil.
PM:
It’s things being (unclear) followed with all lines and zip codes, I don’t know if you realise that, there’s a lot of blood on this thing.
HL:
In what way
PM:
People hate each other about this issue. You haven’t noticed that? You ever seen a nastier scientific issue?
HL:
Why do you think that is?
PM:
I don’t know. I guess because people passionately feel that it’s a battle between good and evil.
HL:
If the consequences of the greenhouse theory did not extend beyond a moral crusade, it could be left to those of a religious turn of mind. But it cannot be so lightly ignored.
PM:
Would you march down the road toward a policy which people have rightfully said required our economic restructuring of the world, knowing that the world was behaving opposite to what the basis of that policy said.
It's things being unclear
Followed with lines and zip codes.
There's blood on this thing.
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TNXJE
I liked this clip which I had never seen before
Armed Response to 'Climategate' question
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aUtzMBfDrpI
Thanks Justin Ert. I’ve transcribed video 1 and will have a go at video 2 later. As His Grace says, it's amazing how little the debate has moved on in twenty years, which is why I feel this stuff is worth transcribing, not for it’s scientific value (though it seems pretty good) but as a historical document. The debate hasn’t moved on because the debate hasn’t happened, which is an important fact in itself. When the debate does happen, it will be important to know who said what and when.
I won’t clog up this thread with the transcription, but will hang on to it and think about what to do with it.
More than shifty, he had to take 30 seconds to think up an answer! Also, is it just me or has Lindzen not changed a bit in 20 years?!
Ha, ha, ha, that nose wiggling at 2:08 in video 5 is hilarious.
Great vid, Your Grace; "soft money" indeed.
I just watched the vid. Wow! It's become incredibly subversive in 20 years, and it's proven to be so prescient. This is definitely a Climate Change doco classic!
I can't believe that this was shown on SBS, an Aussie public TV network that became one of the biggest doomsayers in recent decades. How times change! How religions spread!
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I was taught this in 1970 this does not do what I learned justice
James O'Connor