How many years have sceptics been saying that the last decade tempuratures were flat.

To be met with it's the x,y,zth warmest on record - you denier..

Well we have some good news in a Guardain article some NEW research says that the decade 1998 to 2008 the temperatures were indeed flat.... so good news...

Yet, the bad news is, using computer models (again) the explanation is that because china has doubled its coal use, all that sulphur dioxide that has gone into the air has 'masked' the global warming.. other explanations, solar,e in the computer models don't fit..

at what point do people just start saying b***s**t, stop playing with computer models!!

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2011/jul/04/sulphur-pollution-china-coal-climate

Guardian: Sulphur from Chinese power stations 'masking' climate change (my caps)

Research reveals decade of global warming from China's coal power stations has partly been offset by 'cooling' effect of sulphur pollution

The huge increase in coal-fired power stations in China has masked the impact of global warming in the last decade because of the cooling effect of their sulphur emissions, new research has revealed. But scientists warn that rapid warming is likely to resume when the short-lived sulphur pollution – which also causes acid rain – is cleaned up and the full heating effect of long-lived carbon dioxide is felt.

The last decade was the hottest on record and the 10 warmest years have all occurred since 1998. But within that period, global surface temperatures BUT DID NOT SHOW A RISING TREND, leading some to question whether climate change had stopped. The new study shows that while greenhouse gas emissions continued to rise, their warming effect on the climate was offset by the cooling produced by the rise in sulphur pollution. This combined with the sun entering a less intense part of its 11-year cycle and the peaking of the El Niño climate warming phenomenon.

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I wonder if any apologies will be forthcoming, to sceptics, who said the decade has not shown a rising trend.

Now they have a semi plausible explanation, I doubt if there will be any blushes forthcoming.

Matthu:

Great picture of green energy!!

The timetable came from one of my windy contacts. You can be sure that there will be lots of publicity of the Davis' case. If they win, it will go ballistic.

Phil

Solar park set up in December, 2009 – much less than two years ago. Now it is already overgrown with weeds and on the verge of being useless. Excellent photo here:

http://notrickszone.com/2011/07/04/weed-covered-solar-park-20-acres-11-million-only-one-and-half-years-old/

Thanks, Phillip - that's useful.
Where did you get the detail from - the court itself?
Let's hope the case gets a lot of publicity.

For anyone interested (and with good eyesight for wind as it bumps along the bottom), here is a neat National Grid display of electricity demand and supply.
http://www.gridwatch.templar.co.uk/

matthu: Here is the timetable for the Davis' claim. Sorry about the formatting.

IN THE HIGH COURT OF JUSTICE
QUEEN’S BENCH DIVISION

BETWEEN:
(1) MRS SARAH JANE DAVIS

(2) MR JULIAN TREVOR DAVIS
Claimants
- and –

(1) R C TINSLEY LTD

(2) NICHOLAS WATTS

(3) FENLAND WINDFARMS LTD

(4) FENLAND GREEN POWER CO-OPERATIVE LIMITED
Defendants

Day 1 Monday 4th July Claimants’ Opening
Defendants’ Opening.
Day 2 Tuesday 5th July Site Visit
Day 3 Wednesday 6th July Jane Davis
Day 4 Thursday 7th July Julian Davis
Day 5 Friday 8th July
Claimants’ short witnesses
David Williams
David Scott
Michael Doherty
Fiona Boote

Day 6 Monday 11th July Claimants’ short witnesses (contd)
Cllr Steve Williams
Mrs Delia Williams
Nigel Spence
Bethan Sayle
Day 7 Tuesday 12th July Defendants’ witnesses

Trevor Gait
Nicholas Watts

Day 8 Wednesday 13th July Richard Tinsley
Paul Rea
James Cornish

Day 9 Thursday 14th July Mark Wisnieski
Steve Branson
Malcolm Hayes
Day 10 Friday 15th July Mike Stigwood: Noise Expert

Day 11 Monday 18th July Dr Jeremy Bass: Defendants’ factual witness
Dr Bullmore: Noise Expert

Day 12 Tues 19th July Valuation
Lennox Thomson
Colin Smith
Day 13 Wed 20th July Day for slippage/begin prep for submissions
It would then be valuable for there to be a break for the preparation of closing submissions. These could follow on
Monday 25th July/Tuesday 26th Jul

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2010268/Global-warning-Scientists-claim-extreme-weather-climate-change-linked.html

Looks like we are all wrong about climate change not affecting weather events.
Seems like AL GORE is right/sarc

A couple from Lincolnshire are seeking an injunction and damages in the High Court against the owners and operators of a wind farm they say drove them from their farmhouse home with its ‘unbearable’ noise.

The tenant farmers blame the ‘whoom whoom whoom’ and the low frequency ‘hum’ of giant turbine blades for their exile in a case being closely watched by the wind farm industry.

A QC today told a judge: ‘For Jane and Julian Davis, wind farms have emphatically not been the source of trouble-free, green renewable energy which the firms promoting and profiting from wind energy would have the general public believe.’

From Daily Mail

Caroline Lucas on the funny juice

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/blog/2011/jul/04/solar-energy-britain-subsidies-fits

They are also wrong to suggest that Fits are adding unacceptably to energy bills. While I would prefer to see support for solar and other renewables coming from general taxation instead of from levies on bills, I do think it is important to keep things in perspective.

Err there ain't many installations yet, and just look at those countries that have been doing FITs for longer eg Spain and Germany,

Prediction of cooling for 'perhaps' double the time others are looking at!

http://chiefio.wordpress.com/2011/07/04/solar-max-2014-then-grand-minimum-for-perhaps-100-years/