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@tomo, Feb 16, 2018 at 7:13 PM

I remember back in the day when Microsoft got caught bang to rights doing *actual* software pirating with MS-DOS 6

The stealing disc/folder compression and bankrupting the firm they stole from?

Feb 16, 2018 at 11:45 PM | Registered CommenterPcar


reliving Pink Floyd circa 1968 "Set the Controls for the Heart of the Sun" with some freshly harvested Himalayan Tomato leaf from the airing cupboard?

Feb 16, 2018 at 11:45 PM | Registered Commentertomo

"plate tectonics is set to Ice Age" - what stupidity is this?

Feb 16, 2018 at 11:04 PM | Unregistered CommenterSupertroll


The other effects you mention are purely speculative.

I had to smile at that comment when talking about climate "science"

Feb 16, 2018 at 10:37 PM | Unregistered CommenterUibhist a Tuath


"Only the sun is a cause, everything else is an effect."

Yes. The energy input from the Sun drives the whole system.

What determines the temperature is how much energy remains in the system and how much leaves again.

Ultimately that is focus of the scientific debate. Temperatures are rising, as are sea levels. Ice is decreasing. These indicate that energy is accumulating.

Of the six control knobs plate tectonics is set to Ice Age, orbital cycles are set to interglacial. Albedo and solar insolation are set to slight cooling. Land use and GHGs are set to warm.

How much do you expect to spend adapting? So far Miami Beach is spending $100 million on flood defences against rising sea levels and New York $20 billion. That is protecting 9 million people at $2200 per head. Multiply that up to the 2.8 billion people living near coasts and you get $6 trillion spent on flood defences alone.

Feb 16, 2018 at 10:15 PM | Unregistered CommenterEntropic man


On positive feedback, there are limiting factors.

Remove all the ice and all the ice albedo and you only reduce the albedo enough to produce a 5C rise, which would take the planet into Eocene conditions.

Increasing water vapour would-be expected to produce short term warming followed by an increase in low cloud cover. Increasing albedo then limits further temperature change.

It has been up to 10C warmer at various times in the past and runaway temperatures have not occured. We are probably safe as long as the Sun stays on the Main Sequence.

Feb 16, 2018 at 9:31 PM | Unregistered CommenterEntropic man

Blimey. Only the sun is a cause, everything else is an effect. Where's my runaway to a limit? Absent, that's where. And that shows there is no net positive feedback occurring. A degree of stability that a little change to a minor factor like CO2 does not upset.

You may remember my null hypothesis:

Nothing much is happening and if it does we can adapt.

Feb 16, 2018 at 9:31 PM | Unregistered Commenterrhoda


The balance between ice and open water is a response to temperature change at lower latitudes.

Water vapour content in the atmosphere is temperature dependant.

Don't confuse cause and effect.

These are responses to increasing energy in the climate system, not the cause.

Feb 16, 2018 at 9:22 PM | Unregistered CommenterEntropic man

EM, what water does dominates all the other things in your list. There's water, and the sun. Given Earth's other characteristics are effectively fixed, that's it as far as major factors are concerned. And because what water does IS such a major factor the idea that it is a positive feedback is laughable, we'd be up against the stop in one direction or other immediately.

Feb 16, 2018 at 8:30 PM | Unregistered Commenterrhoda

Weird Norfolk "That video of the girl getting oral sex is in my granddads local tesco " in Stalham
Filmed through the manager's office window on Saturday evening.
The girl cried as she was escorted off the premises on Monday alongside a “distraught” Neville, according to witnesses.
The pair have “both left the business” after the footage emerged, a source confirmed.
Unexpected item in the slagging area ?

If that happens in a Norfolk Tescos, what luxuries can you see thru the Waitrose windows ?

Feb 16, 2018 at 8:09 PM | Registered Commenterstewgreen

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