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Oh I missed something "One of their charitable foundations was found to have have been funding"
sometimes means = once bought someone a cup of coffee, rather than 100% funding a Las Vegas lifestyle
- Usually it means like many others they commissioned research projects. Specifically from Willie Soon, GP FOIAssay that
Charles G. Koch Foundation accounted for 18.5% of project funding over 14 years. (230K in total)
- wow that is huge out of the Kochs $43bn fortune.
stewgreen
re: Piers Corbyn
Is it true that Piers is banned from betting on weather events at Ladbrokes? ....
Nothing would enhance his credibility more that a coup at the bookies....
Since Piers is supported by subscription aiui - are the subscribers getting their moneys worth?
Ambivalent equivocal language is much of the stock in trade of soothsayers - Piers needs to pick a very public winner some time before the event - his models require validation just as much as the MO's :-)
tomo
I had a look at that blame the Koch bogeyman article .. It's only got 141 comments which is mostly 10 loonies vs Barry
That Guardian article is just the normal Greenpeace loony crap. How many of its claims are made up ?
"Koch Industries spent €0.5m lobbying EU on environmental protection"
#1 "€0.5m"
#2 "lobbying the EU on environmental protections and energy issues"
#3 "Over 3 years" - actually EU doc shows "Registration date 19/03/2013", so that's 2yr3m=2.25months
Aha The EU report lists a spending category of "200,000 € - 299,999 €"
So I get it; the story source Desmog have EXTRAPOLATED by multiplying the spending category by 2.25, 2.25x€200K = €500K
- claim #2 : No, the lobbying isn't so clearly listed as just "environmental protections and energy issues" it includes "EU's free trade agreement negotiations" and the products seem to be for multiple categories like resins, PET etc...So The guardian misleads by misquoting the EU document,
So maybe Gdn should be guessing a figure lower than €500K. And it's for the last 25 months, so you could say that Koch spends €20K/month on TOTAL lobbying of the EU !
The Gdn make the claim
\\Koch brothers were “obviously the biggest problem case on climate change in the US”,//
- Yet their evidence is pretty lame "a Greenpeace investigation.. nearly $48m".
- You have to dig to find they are talking about 1997-2008
"the biggest problem.. on climate change" and all you can dig up is an activist group claiming Koch spent $4.5m/yr from a 7 years old report ! FFS
stewgreen
I don't really know why I listen to Today, as it nearly always affects my blood pressure. I just sent them this:
"Roger Witcombe [chairman of the Competition and Markets Authority] when interviewed this morning, claimed that 'smart meters' would make switching energy suppliers easier. This (unchallenged) assertion is exactly the reverse of the truth - even the Climate Change Committee acknowledges that there is a problem, stating in March that 'technical difficulties making the meters work in tall buildings and when customers switch supplier have not yet been resolved'.
Smart meters are another government-sponsored IT fiasco waiting to happen."
jamesp
Our host gets a good mention by Donna Rachel Edmunds
Phillip Bratby
That photo accompanying the BBC's "more hot summers" story is especially emotive.
A possible caption might be: "Young people, women and minorities hardest hit by heat extremes and local flooding".
Alex Cull
I try to avoid BBC news, but listened in yesterday. Through 'fresh ears' I was struck by the emotional content. Even hard factual stories are loaded with emotive words. One example: the EU finance ministers were said to have - quote - hated the outgoing Greek finance minister.
I wonder if this is the fault line between us sceptics and the warmists. Most of the contributors to Bishop Hill seem to be late middle aged or old, having been educated in days when right answers got you a pass and wrong'uns a fail, when blather and bluster and bulldust carried less weight. This is the age of the 'articulate idiot'.
The Shukmans and Harrabins of this world probably learned that Newton 'felt' that F=ma, and Einstein 'suggested' that E=mc^2 in the hope of more state funding. These BBC correspondents - arts graduates to a man/woman - are highly influential. If my thesis is right, maybe the rot could be stopped by letters opposing the BBC charter renewal on grounds of their subjectivity. At least - glub - that's the way I - sniff - feel. ;)
Brent Hargreaves
lapogus: You can comment on Shukman's article on the BBC. The Met Office clearly don't do science as they think that the results of unvalidated computer models constitute research. I bet the Met Office that my predictions for 2100 beat their predictions.
Phillip Bratby
More 'making it up as we go along' from the Met Office - seems we are back to the hotter, drier summers, and milder winters meme, but with some droughts and floods thrown in for good measure of course -
Sadly comments not open.
lapogus
in the Koch Guardian rant I noted a reply to M Courtney on Arctic sea ice from "Underlining Orthodoxy":
http://discussion.theguardian.com/comment-permalink/55139488
I guess he hasn't looked for quite a while, given that the current ice cover is the highest for the time of year for several years (since 2009). Still, the NSIDC haven't updated their article (I guess they're at a loss for comment), although their charts a reasonably up to date.