PCar rhoda is correct . I was given a good piece of advice here, which was - when a "discussion" gets too intense just walk away. I try hard to follow this, but you made (and make) it so hard, pursuing me over a topic I have little real interest in and didn't wish to continue with. You, and others here, may have forgotten that this topic was a column written by Moonbat on grouse moors that I found interesting and wished to share. Oh how I regret doing this (I'll not make the same mistake again). Such a simple action, yet I was taken to task about it, first by Stewgreen, then by you, golfCharlie and others. With golfCharlie this developed into a (for me) pleasant exchange upon Chalk downs and whether they were forested and the various meanings of the word parkland. You, however, gave your strong views about Mombiot and moorlands, even questioning my ability to express my views because of my ignorance. I realized that we were going nowhere when you seemed to express support for the illegal action of killing hen harriers. It is my right not to continue a discussion, and without fear of being compared with a troll, yet once again out that word comes.

Let me make it quite clear
1) I have no intention of being bullied into answering any questions for you (or anyone else) if I choose not to.
2) I found your "advice" about double clicking on a tablet incomprehensible, and thus most unhelpful.
3) I also found your glib comment upon my phobia most unsympathetic. Do you have any conception of how difficult it was to admit to such a failing? Obviously not.

Let us leave this grizzly mess and move on in the hope of finding a different topic in the future that we both can agree upon and, perhaps, amuse each other with.

PS. I created a trap for you. I gave no insult; *****n = person.

PCar rhoda is correct . I was given a good piece of advice here, which was - when a "discussion" gets too intense just walk away. I try hard to follow this, but you made (and make) it so hard, pursuing me over a topic I have little real interest in and didn't wish to continue with. You, and others here, may have forgotten that this topic was a column written by Moonbat on grouse moors that I found interesting and wished to share. Oh how I regret doing this (I'll not make the same mistake again). Such a simple action, yet I was taken to task about it, first by Stewgreen, then by you, golfCharlie and others. With golfCharlie this developed into a (for me) pleasant exchange upon Chalk downs and whether they were forested and the various meanings of the word parkland. You, however, gave your strong views about Mombiot and moorlands, even questioning my ability to express my views because of my ignorance. I realized that we were going nowhere when you seemed to express support for the illegal action of killing hen harriers. It is my right not to continue a discussion, and without fear of being compared with a troll, yet once again out that word comes.

Let me make it quite clear
1) I have no intention of being bullied into answering any questions for you (or anyone else) if I choose not to.
2) I found your "advice" about double clicking on a tablet incomprehensible, and thus most unhelpful.
3) I also found your glib comment upon my phobia most unsympathetic. Do you have any conception of how difficult it was to admit to such a failing? Obviously not.

Let us leave this grizzly mess and move on in the hope of finding a different topic in the future that we both can agree upon and, perhaps, amuse each other with.

PS. I created a trap for you. I gave no insult; *****n = person.

rhoda. But you were able (see above). My apologies for your karma disturbance.

Pcar, I know some bits of English Law, but I know not to rely on it in Scotland! I believe the "Rights to Roam" in Scotland are now better for the roamer in Scotland than in England and Wales, but this has only recently been arrived at, and by very different legislation.

SandyS 9:20 I have heard similar stories, but without evidence or location. Branding or marking sheep or cattle is an acceptable proof of legitimate ownership. Fencing was never much of an issue or requirement. Once some people did erect fences (for whatever reason, possibly legitimate) there was a perception that some were trying to take ownership of the deer aswell, or at least restrict movement along traditional routes. Obviously a man plus a dog out for a walk can make deer wary about going where they intended, and an actual fence is not always required.

I have noticed on the South Downs that deer get very accustomed to moving from woodland to arable land with few people even noticing them. When an arable field is re-fenced for cattle, deer movements are obstructed, with sometimes amusing, and sometimes tragic consequences, as the deer search out new pastures, avenues and roads.

Pcar

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