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RE meters: I went to a talk today where the professor said that water meters are not all they have been cracked up to be as even if you have a tiered system of payment (eg certain amount free, next band at reasonable rate, top band at an extortionate one) if people who have sufficient money decide they want/need the water anyway, to water their lawns for example, they will pay for it ,even at the extortionate rate. Far from cutting water use , in many cases the meters actually led to an increase
Perhaps the same will apply to the electricity meter effect. - I do hope so. But then I have vowed to refuse one.anyway
Messenger
@Tomo so ClientEarth are suing the German government ?
...I suppose it would be better use of CE's resources to tackle a country which produces a lot more CO2 than the uK does.
So far on the radio the couple offgrid admit its hard time compared to having washing machine and computer.
stewgreen
6:50am R4Today "Scientists think they have discovered why ice ages come on 40,000 year cycles, and how they became every 100,000 years
from Professor Carrie Lear - Cardiff University
"We already knew it was due to quite subtle changes in the way the Earth orbits the Sun
we think its due to changes in the way the oceans take up CO2
In the glacial times there was less CO2 in the atmos and that let the ice advance further, so response to changes in the orbits was different from previous times
(Pres :So the seas were taking up more CO2)
yes we call this a feedback mechanism
Something happened to make the oceans take in more Co2 in the cold intervals
Then the ice goes further south, so is a bit more robust to changes in seasons
... (Pres : Oh when is the next ice age)
Oh ah difficult to say cos we have put so much CO2 into the atmos to WAY above anything in the last millioin years
At current levels of CO2 we are not being growing the ice sheets ..we are melting the ice sheets (thats not certain)
we'ere tipping the Earth into another climate state"
Science Daily Oct 26
Paper : Breathing more deeply: Deep ocean carbon storage during the mid-Pleistocene climate transition 28 Sept 2016
Caroline H. Lear1, Katharina Billups2, Rosalind E.M. Rickaby3, Liselotte Diester-Haass4, Elaine M. Mawbey1 and Sindia M. Sosdian
stewgreen
Maeanwhile
German economics minister announces they will continue burning lignite until at least 2040 ...
- and increase their imports of Russian gas as well - no doubt.
tomo
Bearded children with premature ageing, from North Africa and the Near East, are one of the unexpected consequences of Global Warming. It also makes them desperate to get out of the EU, something Remainers have failed to notice.
golf charlie
"........• Eurasian snow cover is above normal and is continues to advance at a steady pace mostly across eastern Eurasia. However when the NAO flips negative, I expect a more rapid advance of snow cover westward towards Europe. High Eurasian snow cover and low Arctic sea ice in the Barents-Kara seas favor first, a strengthening Siberian high and then a weakened polar vortex (PV) in winter.• The stratospheric PV is predicted to significantly weaken into early November. All weather models now predict an unprecedented and significant early split of the stratospheric PV. I expect the circulation anomalies associated with the PV split to descend into the mid and lower troposphere later in November. When this occurs expect the cold and snow that has been mostly confined to Siberia so far, to expand into the mid-latitudes resulting in an early start to winter weather for widespread portions of northern Eurasia, including Europe and East Asia, and possibly the eastern United States (US)......"
Will it happen? Don't know, but IMVHO updates from Dr. Judah Cohen and the Atmospheric and Environmental Research (AER) are well worth keeping a 'weather eye' on.
Green Sand
So pretty much exactly what was predicted by us idiot sceptics.
The guy expects take up to be like broadband... except people wanted broadband. The main reason to do this was because it would revolutionise our energy usage, which clearly doesn't work. All those predictions by Ed Davey etc, were wrong and it will have a knock on effect on the cost of household energy.
The interviewer cut him off as he was waffling about washing machines turning themselves on when electricity is cheap, in direct opposition to fire safety advice. If you're lucky it will reach spin cyle just as you've nodded off (instead of waking you from deep sleep), leaving damp clothes to wrinkle while you rest and/or go to work if you're too late to hang stuff up in the morning.
But they'll roll the thing out anyway.
TinyCO2
Monday the smart Meter wireless network will switch on
..it has failed to meet previous announced switch on days
- Customer complains his new provider can't use his smart meter.
- Ovo customer .."oh your meter is in a cellar..so it wouldn't get a signal, so can't"
- Solar panel owner said the smart meter doesn't work cos when the sun shines it tells him he's USING a lot of electricity
MP sayting "well these smart meters are the first generation, so not as good"
..waffled on platitudes... admitted that the energy saving of people saying "oh wow I didn't realise I'm using that much" is basically a one off which has been over hyped.
stewgreen
German economics minister announces they will continue burning lignite until at least 2040 ...
- and increase their imports of Russian gas as well - no doubt.
Oct 27, 2016 at 2:55 PM | tomo
Interesting that the German Economics Minister has worked out they need at least fifteen years to fix the damage caused by the Greens. For a Nation used to reconstruction after devastating damage, that is probably an accurate assessment. The sooner they start, the better.