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golf charlie
Maybe as sceptics we accept a little too readily what we were taught at school about the LIA, Roman Warm Period and MWP etc (but NB see following paragraph), but I agree with you that the attempts to argue that said MWP and LIA didn't exist were among the things that first made me think the alarmism was nonsense - if you need to re-write history to make your version of events work, then you need pretty strong evidence.
I have stood inside the remains of the Iron Age hill forts on Yeavering Bell in the Cheviots and Carrock Fell in the northern Lake District, where people apparently lived without too many problems over 2,000 years ago. Today's climate is too harsh for people to live there in comfort today, even with the benefits of modern civilisation, which our Iron Age ancestors lacked.
I prefer to believe the evidence before my own eyes rather than that presented by someone with a vested interest in telling me that what I've seen with my own eyes must be wrong and which relies on reconstructions and proxies. Reconstructions and proxies can have value, but when they contradict what is known, they must be treated with great caution, not welcomed with open arms as proving that the religion's prophets are correct.
Mark Hodgson
Re: FoE & ASA on Fracking
Video: Fracking.Debate.–.Channel.4.News.170104 By Cathy NewmanRose Dickinson, of Friends of the Earth, and Ken Cronin, who represents the UK onshore oil and gas industry.
The claims were stark: that chemicals used in fracking could cause cancer, or that drinking water might be contaminated. Now the advertising watchdog says Friends of the Earth has agreed to stop repeating what it called “misleading” claims about fracking.
Comment: FoE's Rose Dickinson refuses to admit they were lying and says they will continue to repeat the sames lies. ASA is toothless. Caudrilla should sue FoE for slander.
Pcar
If you really only read the right wing climate denier sites, then I can understand your narrow view of the world.
Jan 4, 2017 at 7:59 PM | Entropic man
EM, I have never denied there is a climate. I have never denied the climate changes, and has changed in the past. That would be your department, along with Mann, Joe Romm and the rest of the Hockey Teamsters.
I used to read stuff on Real Climate, Climate Progress, Stoat, Rabbett Droppings etc, until I realised they were all singing to the tune of the same piper's pay cheque, and consistently denied the climate had changed in the past.
Trying to deny the MWP and LIA seems to me where it all went wrong for Climate Science, though it was very lucrative for 20 years.
golf charlie
Stewgreen
I do get the occasional echo. :-)
BH occasionally reverts to the pre-submission screen. I think that the comment has not loaded and submit it again.
Tomo, golf charlie
I read blogs from the far left to the far right, climate activist and climate deniers. That is why I read both Think progress and BH.
It would be blinkered to read only those sites which tell me what I want to hear. How would I come to a measured judgement?
If you really only read the right wing climate denier sites, then I can understand your narrow view of the world.
Entropic man
@Pcar
what about all those BP North America folk ? all their data is anonymous and confidential? I'd expect that eventually the RFID (NFC) tags in the health trackers will be integrated in corporate access control mechanisms etc ...
I know some of what Schlumberger subject its employees to in terms of intrusive monitoring of their lives *outside* work hours - which is added into their HR assessments....
Headbands to detect impure thoughts linked to corporate data centres which message rectal tasers?
tomo
@tomo
In other news - ICYMI - I certainly did .... Lifestyle tracking for employees
From article you linked to
Vista Staffing Solutions, a healthcare recruitment agency, started a weight-loss programme using Fitbits and wifi-enabled bathroom scales.
and from BBC article they link to:
Oil giant BP's North American business offers its staff Fitbit fitness trackers - wearable bands or clip-on devices that monitor your steps, calorie intake and sleep patterns.
imho it's more fake news as the devices are being offered to employees to help them diet, become fitter etc. No different from offering fitness club/gym membership, company car, season ticket loans etc.
Pcar
@EM 4:13
Happy to oblige.
It just might be the truth and set me on a path to salvation - but I've given both the benefit of doubt and tried in the past to work past their obvious shortcomings and still felt that neither was honest. If there's some truth to be had - even the same one (possibly) - I'll get it from elsewhere....
The Think Progress kennel where Romm patrols is a stinking pit of politically driven climate fascism - you are aware of their antics ?
tomo
The Washington Times tells it like it is !
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/jan/1/big-green-biggest-loser-of-2016/
Ross Lea
"Young McGrath will get a solid 8 out of 10 from Headmaster Harrabin for this little piece.
Those that follow the global warming comedy circuit will recognise an old trick being redeployed. Old data was cooled and modern data warmed and, hey presto, disaster is back on the agenda."
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