Sorry, just seen Rob Chris mentioned this yesterday.

Regards

Mailman

Anyone commented on this yet?

http://www.steynonline.com/7661/the-craziness-of-the-climate-science-echo-chamber

Judith Curry has become the latest casualty in the climate wars. Seems they just can't stand someone who is capable of thinking for themselves.

Mailman

Jan 5, 2017 at 8:09 AM | Mark Hodgson

Interesting that your doubts about Climate Science were also triggered by similar queries concerning known history rather than science.

I still have no idea about the "science" behind Global Warming, ie more CO2 equals more warming, but I just can't find any evidence for it. I have no idea about the science behind an atom bomb, but clearly the evidence is there to support the theory.

I understand sufficient biology to understand why I am on chemotherapy again. I can "feel" or "sense" a slow improvement over the last 5 months, but my Haematologist can just point at a spreadsheet of numbers on a computer screen derived from 7 years of bloodtests, and point out the consequences of different action/inaction. I do not know exactly what I am sensing or feeling, but my own sense of "wellbeing" is matched by the improving numbers.

When Climate Scientists demand that they should be trusted because they are experts, I have no trust or faith in their diagnosis or medication, especially because their diagnosis can not explain past variations, and why the current variation is any different. There is then the question of how is the "normal" defined, that the planet is currently, not!

golf charlie

Maybe as sceptics we accept a little too readily what we were taught at school about the LIA, Roman Warm Period and MWP etc (but NB see following paragraph), but I agree with you that the attempts to argue that said MWP and LIA didn't exist were among the things that first made me think the alarmism was nonsense - if you need to re-write history to make your version of events work, then you need pretty strong evidence.

I have stood inside the remains of the Iron Age hill forts on Yeavering Bell in the Cheviots and Carrock Fell in the northern Lake District, where people apparently lived without too many problems over 2,000 years ago. Today's climate is too harsh for people to live there in comfort today, even with the benefits of modern civilisation, which our Iron Age ancestors lacked.

I prefer to believe the evidence before my own eyes rather than that presented by someone with a vested interest in telling me that what I've seen with my own eyes must be wrong and which relies on reconstructions and proxies. Reconstructions and proxies can have value, but when they contradict what is known, they must be treated with great caution, not welcomed with open arms as proving that the religion's prophets are correct.

If you really only read the right wing climate denier sites, then I can understand your narrow view of the world.

Jan 4, 2017 at 7:59 PM | Entropic man

EM, I have never denied there is a climate. I have never denied the climate changes, and has changed in the past. That would be your department, along with Mann, Joe Romm and the rest of the Hockey Teamsters.

I used to read stuff on Real Climate, Climate Progress, Stoat, Rabbett Droppings etc, until I realised they were all singing to the tune of the same piper's pay cheque, and consistently denied the climate had changed in the past.

Trying to deny the MWP and LIA seems to me where it all went wrong for Climate Science, though it was very lucrative for 20 years.

Stewgreen

I do get the occasional echo. :-)

BH occasionally reverts to the pre-submission screen. I think that the comment has not loaded and submit it again.

Tomo, golf charlie

I read blogs from the far left to the far right, climate activist and climate deniers. That is why I read both Think progress and BH.

It would be blinkered to read only those sites which tell me what I want to hear. How would I come to a measured judgement?

If you really only read the right wing climate denier sites, then I can understand your narrow view of the world.